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Jerry Lewis Telethon
« on: September 07, 2010, 09:19:36 AM »
disclaimer:  I certainly hope this topic is not viewed as "political" as it has nothing to do with politics in any manner. it's about the medical industry.


So...once again over the weekend, I caught myself watching portions of the Jerry Lewis Labor Day Telethon...as I have since I myself was a kid.

I think as I get older..I may either be more jaded...or just more adept in seeing what it...reality.

First off...anyone and everyone..who gives to charity...is to be respected...and applauded.  Altruism is a good thing...and that goes for all the people who contribute time and money to any and all potential cures to insidious disease.

I started thinking..as I have in the past..about how much more advanced we are on this planet..with regard to medical research...and with that...I also started thinking about what all these hundreds of millions....dare I say billions of dollars...in research...has gotten us.  I'm not talking about money that is given to aid and comfort the ill and infirmed...I'm talking specifically to money going to research...to find cures.

I may be very wrong here...but I don't seem to recall..in my almost 50 years of life here...any radical disease cures...since Jonas Salk...and the polio vaccine.
Salk's breakthrough cure was nothing short of amazing..and with that said...he gave away his patent...for free..and never made a dime off of the actual drug sales.

Let's face it.  medical research hires tens of thousands of people...and the industry brings in big bucks..and now the question everyone thinks or has thought about... IS there already a cure from many of these diseases? and because of the vast number of fundraisers, doctors, nurses, care providers, and researchers....these cures have been locked away?  Imagine the wonderful impact curing cancer would have on the world. we've ALL had loved ones effected by this. then imagine the millions of people put out of work immediately. the entire oncology industry would vanish.  call me a skeptic..or even a delusional paranoid if you want...one thing I learned a long time ago...MONEY TALKS.

wouldn't, for example,  a drug manufacturer rather make big money..protracted over time...treating symptoms?  rather than a few dollars from a single dose shot that cures a disease forever? I think we all know the answer to that.

Food for thought..but every time I hear Jerry Lewis say "we are so close to a cure".. all these decades later...I can't help but wonder. (not saying jerry is involved whatsoever)

I'm not saying it's true.....but I am saying it would not surprise me if we find out years from now..several diseases had cures already..
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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 10:01:09 AM »
If it was ever found that any company had a cure for a disease and withheld it, that would be the end of that company.  My guess is that companies only look for meds that cure the symptoms and not the disease itself.



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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 11:08:31 AM »
I ONLY  have one paranoid statement......

there is no money in cures, while there is massive money in treatment.
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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 11:12:39 AM »
we're light years ahead of where we were with technology since salk cured polio...something is just not right.

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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 11:14:15 AM »
I ONLY  have one paranoid statement......

there is no money in cures, while there is massive money in treatment.

i hate to sound harse but Cap is right, more money to be made on the treatment centers and drugs
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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 11:18:51 AM »
You guys watch too much x-files   :noid

Drug research is challenging, complex and time consuming.  Research scientists don't eat Cornflakes in the morning and poop-out drugs in the afternoon.
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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 11:30:26 AM »
You guys watch too much x-files   :noid

Drug research is challenging, complex and time consuming.  Research scientists don't eat Cornflakes in the morning and poop-out drugs in the afternoon.


i know that, and i don't watch too much tv.

look at this way.

 they cure the common cold. no one gets it now. they've just eliminated a BIG source of income.
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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2010, 11:55:26 AM »
Science, and especially medicine, hits a wall periodically. In a period of about 50 years, with the help of two wars, we went from fabric covered wooden fighter planes, powered by reciprocating engines and pulled through the air by propellers flying at 120 MPH, to all metal jets, capable of speeds exceeding Mach 2. Some 55 years later, there still aren't too many fighter planes much faster than Mach 2 to Mach 2.5.

Much like the science behind aircraft, the science of medicine made leaps and bounds in the first half of the last century. And it has actually kept pace with the the science behind aircraft.

As you pursue any technical goal, the results you achieve in exchange for your efforts rapidly each the point of diminishing returns. The gains are fairly big, at first, and get ever smaller for every period of time you spend.

In addressing the original subject of Jerry Lewis and the MDA, a massive amount of money is spent on improving the lives of those suffering the various diseases that fall under the MD umbrella. For example, when I was building custom vans for the handicapped, I saw what went into a van for a young boy suffering Duchennes MD. The van for that boy rapidly approached $60K. His wheelchair was over $10K. These children (all three boys in his family were afflicted with Duchennes) rarely live past 25. They know about the missing gene in children with Duchennes, but they've not yet been able to splice the gene into these children.

Having been personally involved with some of the things the MDA does, and having seen Jerry Lewis personally attend to the needs of a child and his family fighting (and often losing to) this disease, I have no question in my mind as to their dedication to finding treatments and cures for the diseases they research. Before you question their sincerity and their veracity, try devoting some of your time, and see what really goes on.
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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 11:57:10 AM »
Industry is not that coordinated.  Also, it is very difficult to keep a secret among friends; how much more difficult would it be to keep a secret like that?  Diseases have already been cured and vaccinations have been released.  Why weren't those locked up?  The people who develop the cures are not the people who stand to gain from the treatment of the disease; therefore there is no motivation for them to lock up cures.  Those are just a few thoughts I had off the top of my head so I would say no, there are not cures locked up somewhere out there.
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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 11:57:17 AM »
i know that, and i don't watch too much tv.

look at this way.

 they cure the common cold. no one gets it now. they've just eliminated a BIG source of income.

The "common cold" is an ever evolving virus, that is in a constant state of change. It's a target that not only moves, but rapidly changes to protect itself from whatever you throw at it.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 12:00:28 PM »
The "common cold" is an ever evolving virus, that is in a constant state of change. It's a target that not only moves, but rapidly changes to protect itself from whatever you throw at it.

i was only using that as an example, to hopefully not offend anyone by naming a specific disease that they or someone they care about may have or have had.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 12:05:11 PM »
i was only using that as an example, to hopefully not offend anyone by naming a specific disease that they or someone they care about may have or have had.

But it was in fact an excellent example.

Think about this. MD is often genetic. Yet DNA shows that many people have genetic traits that make them different genetically from billions of other people on the face of the earth, different enough that DNA can prove to conclusively exclude 10 billion other people as having given that sample. That being the case, a disease affecting genes and genetics can be as different in each of the people it afflicts as the people are from others. So, how do you research that?
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Re: Jerry Lewis Telethon
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 12:41:18 PM »
I donated around $10,000 to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation - also because I have that disease. At the last fund raiser we did around $700,000 in donations - which was down about 50% from the previous year. Everyone who says the money is in the treatment is absolutely on the mark. Over my lifetime, I will end up spending around $500,000 just in meds and supplies to keep me alive. If you put the intellectual capital on an artificial pancreas to say a GE - that would be a crash program in 6 months. In the end, what its going to take is for someone who is really well endowed (in the billions) for their kid to get sick - and they will cut a check, and say FIX IT.

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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 01:27:12 PM »
Common cold has more than 300 variatios and it kills tens of thousands every year.


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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 01:28:02 PM »
I donated around $10,000 to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation - also because I have that disease. At the last fund raiser we did around $700,000 in donations - which was down about 50% from the previous year. Everyone who says the money is in the treatment is absolutely on the mark. Over my lifetime, I will end up spending around $500,000 just in meds and supplies to keep me alive. If you put the intellectual capital on an artificial pancreas to say a GE - that would be a crash program in 6 months. In the end, what its going to take is for someone who is really well endowed (in the billions) for their kid to get sick - and they will cut a check, and say FIX IT.

That's how it gets done gentlemen.

that's partly my point.

 mom has type 2. i think that's the one ya get from being overweight, and inactive? she was diagnosed with it about 6 years ago. they got her on a bunch of medications for it.
 yet, if she'd get out, and do something....even just walking......she'd probably clear up.

 my uncle developed type 2 also......within a year of retiring from ups. he was borderline overweight......still borderline overweight, but very inactive now.

 neither one of their doctors will tell em to get their tulips out and DO something....they just keep prescribing medications.
 
 i have a friend, and 2 acquaintances that had type 2.......and they all cleared up, when they started doing things.
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