Plane vs Plane Thread

[Perrine]

I'm always intrigued by this.

109E vs spit 1
109F vs spit 5
109g2 vs spit 9
109g14 vs spit 16
109k vs spit 14

ki 84 vs spit 8

Ki 61 vs p-39d

109E vs I-16

I know that i'm gonna encounter these match ups in AvA or some special events

[boomerlu]

For 109F and beyond vs Spits, you use your superior smash and/or climb rate, whichever happens to be applicable. Capitalize on that advantage before the Spit draws you into a turn fight.

[fbWldcat]

109k and spit 14.  109 has to win in the vertical fight, not turning. The Spit has to win in the dive, get the 109 to turn, and try to win the E battle.

A6M5b vs. P-38L

[Imowface]

Dont follow the P-38 in the vertical, bleed him dry of E by avoiding his BnZ's, then once you have him slow kick him in the teeth with a slow turn, and dont use flaps in the Zero

N1K2 vs F4U-1C

[Bruv119]

I'm always intrigued by this.

109E vs spit 1
109F vs spit 5
109g2 vs spit 9
109g14 vs spit 16
109k vs spit 14


I know that i'm gonna encounter these match ups in AvA or some special events

In a strictly one on one situation the Spits will defeat all of the above except for the 109k4 vs Spit 14.

[Kazaa]

You're such an RAF fanboi Bruv.

[prono]

N1K2 vs F4U-1C

For a clean fight i would try to make it slow and switch to vertical.  Below 10K N1K2 has a big climb and acceleration advantage.

Spit 14 vs 109k4

[Masherbrum]

I'm always intrigued by this.

Ki 61 vs p-39d

I know that i'm gonna encounter these match ups in AvA or some special events

The Ki-61.   I cannot speak for anyone else flying it. 

[uptown]

Spit14 and K4? Well this is an interesting one. If I were in the 109 I think what I'd try to do is get the spit down low where it couldn't dive away and try to stall him out with hard left climbing turns. With alt I'd imagine the fight would go easily to the spit.

[Ack-Ack]

Dont follow the P-38 in the vertical, bleed him dry of E by avoiding his BnZ's, then once you have him slow kick him in the teeth with a slow turn, and dont use flaps in the Zero

You won't bleed a P-38 of his energy by avoiding his BnZ attacks, the opposite will prove true.  The P-38 will drain your energy by forcing you to avoid his repeated BnZ attacks.  The only way a Zeke will survive against a P-38 is if [1]the P-38 pilot is dumb enough to try and turn fight with a Zeke at medium to low speeds (if both are at high speeds over 325mph IAS, P-38 will be able to keep up in turns until the fight speed slows down below 300mph IAS) or [2] the P-38 pilot become impatient and gets suckered into stopping the BnZ attacks and trying to turn with the Zeke.

Remember, the P-38 has the speed, acceleration (at any speeds), climb rate, etc., to dictate the fight against the Zeke.


ack-ack

[StokesAk]

You won't bleed a P-38 of his energy by avoiding his BnZ attacks, the opposite will prove true.  The P-38 will drain your energy by forcing you to avoid his repeated BnZ attacks.  The only way a Zeke will survive against a P-38 is if [1]the P-38 pilot is dumb enough to try and turn fight with a Zeke at medium to low speeds (if both are at high speeds over 325mph IAS, P-38 will be able to keep up in turns until the fight speed slows down below 300mph IAS) or [2] the P-38 pilot become impatient and gets suckered into stopping the BnZ attacks and trying to turn with the Zeke.

Remember, the P-38 has the speed, acceleration (at any speeds), climb rate, etc., to dictate the fight against the Zeke.


ack-ack

As demonstrated in Philippine Phandango, we bnzed A6M's all day every day until they died.

[Muzzy]

Uptown had the first reply so he gets to post the next matchup. 

[boomerlu]

Like I said... the 109s' main advantage is pure speed. The best tactic would then be to extend straightaway until the speed advantage is substantial enough and try to rope the Spit.

Coincidentally, that is also how one would use a Dora to beat a Spixteen.

Or if you can hold out long enough, 109 has substantially more WEP than the corresponding Spit, translating into a major climb rate/energy advantage, in which case you would perform a climbing turn against the Spit, accumulating enough of an E advantage, and then cash in converting E into angles for the kill.

[Roadblck]

Great stuff in this thread.  I can't contribute much, since I am new, but I have a question:

Does anyone have any film of the type of fights that are being discussed in the last few posts (ie, 38 vs zeke, or other similar "BnZ vs TnB" plane)?  I understand the concepts being discussed, but I don't really understand how to execute such tactics in the air. 

[uptown]

P40E vs 109F