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Offline hlbly

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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2010, 08:18:31 AM »
Seriously, do you even bother to research any of these planes?  If you had you would have seen that the guns are mounted on the left side of the AC-47.  The only way a Spooky could have shot down another plane is if the other plane slowed down and flew off the left side of the AC-47.

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If you have ever flown a control line COX plane with you pivoting in place while the plane flies a banked turn around you . You have good reference for how they work .  The control lines stay pointed in one spot while the plane circles . Imagine the control line representing the bullet stream. Not sure on the AC47 but the AC130 is not aimed from the cockpit . It has an operator in the cargo compartment . Also gotta love the bofors 40mm and the 105 you get with the AC130 .


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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2010, 12:01:12 AM »
vietnam era aces high :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray

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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2010, 12:13:23 AM »
vietnam era aces high :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray


Yeah, and look at how well WWI turned out. Also, the guided missles would take a lot of the fun out of the game, IMO.
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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2010, 12:18:15 AM »
Yeah, and look at how well WWI turned out. Also, the guided missles would take a lot of the fun out of the game, IMO.


 Not if HTC modeled in the failure rate of those missles.

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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2010, 07:45:27 PM »

This is in reply to the general discussion.
Just to clarify a few things about the AC series of gunships in Vietnam and beyond.  First, let me give you a bit of background on myself so you dont think I'm BS'ing.  I recently retired with 33 years service in the Air Force and Air Force Reserve.  I spent two tours in Vietnam, one as a weapons loader on F-100 and A-37 aircraft.  The second tour was with the 20th SOS Green Hornets as a gunner.  After that I joined the 919th SOG at Duke Field Fl as a gunner on AC-130A's.  I retired the last of the AC-130A's as the chief gunner.  I have over 3000 hours in the gunship and helicopters as a gunner. 
  Now to clarify a few things.  The AC-47, although not officially air to air capable, could in theory, take out any lower flying aircraft that happened into it's bullet stream of 300 rounds per second.  It originally used 10 50 cals but went to the 7.62 minigun when they became available.  The pilot aimed the aircraft by using the airspeed, ailerons and rudder with the copilots help.  The gunners reloaded and fixed the guns as necessary.  The gunner did not fire nor aim the guns, they were on fixed mounts.  All of them.
  The AC-130A originally had 4 7.62 miniguns and 4 20mm Vulcan cannons (gatling guns) firing at the rate of 2500RPM (for the 20mm) and either 3000 rpm or 6000 rpm for the miniguns.  When the modification called "surprise package" became available the two rearmost 20mm and miniguns were removed and two 40mm Bofors cannons were installed.  They had a firing rate of 100 shots per minute or almost two per second. This is slower than they originally had as naval defense guns which fired at 120 spm.  You could not fire both cannons at once for fear of structural damage.  As in the AC-47 they were aimed by the pilot with optics fed electronically to the gunsight from the senors.  The pilot adjusted bank angle and rudder input and the copilot ran the throttles to align the movable pipper and the fixed pipper in the gunsight until they were both superimposed and simply pulled the trigger.  The pilot never sees the actual target.
  During the invasion of Panama in 1989 they were tasked with stopping possible escape by Norriega by shooting down any helicpoter flown by non US military forces.  Newre models of the AC-130 have trainalble guns that slave to whereever the sensor is looking and computers that handle the mundane tass of windage, etc.  The newest version, the AC-130U ahs a chainfun inpace of the 20mm twin guns and in place of the 40mm Bofors.  It can strike two targets at once and has a 105mm cannon in the left side door inplace ot one of the 40mm cannons used on the original configuration used in the AC-130A.
 Sure hope this helps clear up things.  Any questions just ask.

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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2010, 01:26:51 PM »
Yeah, and look at how well WWI turned out. Also, the guided missles would take a lot of the fun out of the game, IMO.



There would still be some good dogfights as I believe that Vietnam was also a test bed for the new AtA missiles, and that the Phantom had more kills with (correct me if I am wrong) its 20mm gatling cannon.

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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2010, 10:02:39 PM »
No doubt there would be some good fights. Good fights in WWI too. I just don't want to see months spent on something that will see a lot of use only untill the "new" wears off.
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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2010, 10:23:43 AM »
Re: Ack-Ack

I do not particularly care about your opinions on young players, your arrogance and sheer pigheadedness has no equal anywhere. You attack members of this board on the slightest things because you can, you berate people when they have no wish to start an argument especially seeing as this thread and others are JOKES!. And on top of all this you are ruining what this whole thing is all about, Aces High, the Bulletin Boards and this thread.

What was that again, oh thats right. HAVING A LAUGH AND HAVING FUN. is that too much to ask?

Seriously, it does not matter, anything can shoot down anything if it has a gun. While unlikely it is still possible. Hell a B-17 with a modified pilot operated gun shot down a Zero.

oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.
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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2010, 11:08:23 AM »
We used to fly ac-130 on ac-130 in janes atf head to head.  tons of fun.

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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2010, 04:34:15 PM »
and that the Phantom had more kills with (correct me if I am wrong) its 20mm gatling cannon.

You're wrong.  Especially considering the lack of guns in most Phantom models.

Obviously the navy and Marines didn't have guns, so 0 there.
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Re: Ack-Ack

I do not particularly care about your opinions on young players, your arrogance and sheer pigheadedness has no equal anywhere. You attack members of this board on the slightest things because you can, you berate people when they have no wish to start an argument especially seeing as this thread and others are JOKES!. And on top of all this you are ruining what this whole thing is all about, Aces High, the Bulletin Boards and this thread.

What was that again, oh thats right. HAVING A LAUGH AND HAVING FUN. is that too much to ask?

Seriously, it does not matter, anything can shoot down anything if it has a gun. While unlikely it is still possible. Hell a B-17 with a modified pilot operated gun shot down a Zero.

oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.


It was a joke?  Maybe a bit of research and effort in a wish would temper Ack-Ack a bit.  Or a  :rofl.
Ack-Ack just gives back some of what gets dished out.

Otherwise, make the wish list -read only-.


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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2010, 05:04:12 PM »
Wasn't the AC-47 a Vietnam era aircraft? I don't recall it being in service in WWII.
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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2010, 07:03:33 AM »
I am suggesting a Vietnam era aircraft with miniguns.

In a forum about WW2.

Doesnt take a genius does it?
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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2010, 02:58:55 PM »
I am suggesting a Vietnam era aircraft with miniguns.

In a forum about WW2.

Doesnt take a genius does it?

It was just a question. Didn't know if it served in WWII or not.
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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2010, 03:02:23 PM »
"I am suggesting a Vietnam era aircraft with miniguns. In a forum about WW2."


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Re: Puff the Magic Dragon
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2010, 08:39:46 AM »
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I do not particularly care about your opinions on young players, your arrogance and sheer pigheadedness has no equal anywhere. You attack members of this board on the slightest things because you can, you berate people when they have no wish to start an argument especially seeing as this thread and others are JOKES!. And on top of all this you are ruining what this whole thing is all about, Aces High, the Bulletin Boards and this thread.

What was that again, oh thats right. HAVING A LAUGH AND HAVING FUN. is that too much to ask?

Seriously, it does not matter, anything can shoot down anything if it has a gun. While unlikely it is still possible. Hell a B-17 with a modified pilot operated gun shot down a Zero.

oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.


oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.

That one line made your whole post completely irrelevant and hypocritical.
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