AVA challenge

[jimson]

So, we issue a challenge, AvA players vs so and so. Identical planes and they get a chance to prove AvA players aren't any better than MA players.

Might just work.

Let's not be too cocky in issuing the challenge, in case we get our butts handed to us.

Trying for a little humor there.

Of course I don't mind getting my arse kicked, happens all the time

[CAP1]

i hate to say this, but although i like jimsons idea of historically matched aircraft, the idea with identical aircraft may be better. i only say this, because we all know that someone will come in there, fly n fight, then when they die over and over, they'll come here to the boards, and whine about how the planeset was lopsided in favor of XXXX.

 there could be a possibility also, of having one of the cm's from other special events sit in on this, so there can be no such accusations?

[jimson]

i hate to say this, but although i like jimsons idea of historically matched aircraft, the idea with identical aircraft may be better. i only say this, because we all know that someone will come in there, fly n fight, then when they die over and over, they'll come here to the boards, and whine about how the planeset was lopsided in favor of XXXX.

I think that was Jaeger's original concern and I gotta admit, it has merit.

[waystin2]

then when they die over and over, they'll come here to the boards, and whine about how the planeset was lopsided in favor of XXXX.

I went down this road 3 years ago when I got the Pigs interested in a similar competition.  Do not pre-suppose that this will occur.  Here is how to erase every bit of that.  If a base is captured, then teams swap sides, and go again, and then again if necessary.  Best of 3, takes the match.  You are guaranteed at least one go around on both sides, possibly two if it is really close.  Nothing to complain about at all if everybody understands what is going on to begin with. 

 

Way

[grumpy37]

Or after 1 hour of the 2 hour even everyone switches sides to even out the entire experiance....

[captain1ma]

well the AVA guys will need less then an hour to take the base the first time!  

[waystin2]

Or after 1 hour of the 2 hour even everyone switches sides to even out the entire experiance....

This has merit Grumpy.  If no base capture in xx:xx amount of time then side switch occurs, and we go again.

I have thought more about this idea of folks getting upset, and I think also that the AVA team needs to be prepared for war.  When a competion like this gets underway, it is about killing the enemy and removing his ability to wage war on your team.  So what if anything as far as tactics is off the table?  My preference is nothing.  I plan on my Pigs being shot from all angles, vulched, bombed, camped, my hangars, ordnance and DAR porked.  Are the AVA regulars ready for this?  Not being sarcastic, just speaking from experience.  A lot of the whining I saw three years ago came from folks complaining about being picked, HO'ed, camped, vulched, porked, etc.  I have no fear of these things, as the Pigs deal with these circumstances and deal it out on a regular basis in the LWA's.


 

Way

[Dawger]

I wouldn't do it.

Too much us versus them in an idea like that.

[jimson]

I think you just gotta say: No rules, No mercy, No whining.

[waystin2]

I think you just gotta say: No rules, No mercy, No whining.

I am in total agreement with you Jimson.  If it is understood at the outset, any folks causing trouble or being unsportsmanlike can and should be ejected.  I guarantee that with understood rules the Pigs will embrace this wholeheartedly and give a hell of a fun fight.

[jimson]

Surely there's a way to do it in the spirit of fun where everyone understands the rules and it won't result in any real ugliness.

[captain1ma]

I wouldn't do it.

Too much us versus them in an idea like that.

yeah like Axis Vs Allies?

[waystin2]

Surely there's a way to do it in the spirit of fun where everyone understands the rules and it won't result in any real ugliness.

Absolutely Jimson!  I want the sort of fun, where we all toss salutes on channel 1 win or lose and plan on rematches or more matchups in the future!

[captain1ma]

we can have rules of engagement without screwing up anyone's fun, as long as both teams agree to them. I don't see this as a problem. sometimes, ya just gotta have a couple of rules! besides this is a special event, not something that is going to come into play on a daily basis!

[jimson]

Rules of engagement?

No ho's? This could be a problem in as as much as I avoid ho's and love no icons, I've accidentally done it in a big furball when I suddenly got a snapshot and couldn't immediately tell the bogies direction.

No vulching? Could say wheels must be up before attack, but not very enforceable.

The best rule would be no taunting, flaming or trash talking.

Rules or no rules as long as everyone agrees, is fine with me.