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[thorsim]

you guys are confusing a CIC's access to information, and a team's pre and post frame communication

with

some sort of orders by committee situation.  

i don't think i ever suggested anything of the sort.

i assure the OODA loop only works well if you are able to observe and orient thoroughly before you decide and act.

i speak from experience.

no offense,

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t

[AKP]

you guys are confusing a CIC's access to information, and a team's pre and post frame communication

with

some sort of orders by committee situation.  

i don't think i ever suggested anything of the sort.

i assure the OODA loop only works well if you are able to observe and orient thoroughly before you decide and act.

i speak from experience.

no offense,

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t

If what you are referring to is a section on the boards where everyone can view all the past CiC Orders, posted together with the results of the frames they were written for, I think that is an OUTSTANDING idea.  That would allow for CiC's to look over what has been done before, and add to it, recycle it, or make it work better.  I keep all of the ones I have been sent, so it never occurred to me to archive them here.

Sorry, but it really did sound like you were talking about a "planning committee" type of set up.

And a section in the FSO forums like this wouldn't need to be protected at all.  But the CiC's orders for the frames of an FSO shouldnt go up until that FSO is complete and all three frames are played out.

[thorsim]

sort of ...

open archives and discussion of past completed FSO series ...

and ...

side secure archive and discussion of FSOs currently in progress ...

no community planning beyond discussion or requested input by the CIC ...

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t

[Krusty]

and ...

side secure archive and discussion of FSOs currently in progress ...

That, in my mind, is the problem with your suggestion. 

[AKP]

That, in my mind, is the problem with your suggestion. 

Exactly

[thorsim]

well you guys have been here much longer than i,

it is disappointing hear that in it's own opinion the FSO community is incapable of having meaningful discussions about an ongoing series.

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t  

[ghostdancer]

The community is capable of having discussions. What they are saying is a side secure area is impractical from an administrative standpoint. Every 4 weeks squads would have to have access removed from one forum and added to another forum. This starts to become a very large overhead from the administrative standpoint. Even you restrict it the side forums to just the command staff of each squad (which locks out the other squad members from participating) you are talking of having to keep track of an reset the access rights for around 120 people every four or so weeks.

With the current forum software used by HTC this has to be done manually. There is not the ability to setup a groups (say 40 groups .. one for each squad) and then just switch the group access. You would have to physically type in each persons handle to give them forum access. So that is just for the command staff of three contacts per squad.

If you wanted the whole squad on a side to have access the squad would have to submit a roster of all their pilots with their BBS handles so that the admin then could go in and give them the appropriate forum access. This is just impractical when you are talking 400 - 500 pilots.

So as others have said discussions about previous FSO, orders, etc. and archive of orders is a great idea. No reason to make these archives side secure since they are past events and one day your are on the axis side the other on the allied side. Plus, really you are just using them as learning devices to see what works tactically and strategically and to discuss among yourselves.

Side protect forums for a currently running event are simply impractical from an administrative point of view with current forum software.

[thorsim]

as stated before, the solution would be a PW forum ...

not being an admin or mod on this BBS i do not know how difficult it might be here.

but it was simple enough on the other BBS where i am a mod.

the PW goes out with the other secure info so the only admin issues are changing the two side passwords before each series.

the discussions could be publicly archived also, but that is not a requirement.

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t

 

[ghostdancer]

Thor the current HTC forums does not use a password functionality for accessing private forums. The way you give access to private forums is to enter in the user name (BBS name) of the user you want to give access to the forum. I am the head of the Terrain Team and for the terrain private forum that is how I have to do it ith this forum software. I have to manually type in a user name to give them access to the forum.

So unless HTC changes to a different forum software it simply can't be done the way you suggest. In my additional role as a FSO admin I really don't want have to type in 100 or more users names for my event and then verify with each squad that those people are the ones that are supposed to have access. Most squads are very good at keeping their contact information up to date but there is always some lag between people leaving a squad and being replaced or something else.

Now that said for events that a much longer planning period or ramp up period, basically scenarios, they do exactly as you suggest. They setup two private forums and they type in the Axis and Allies user names for each forum. The difference here is simply the amount of time it is done before an event (the time when registration is open is several weeks before an event not one) and the fact that scenarios happen about once a quarter. Not once a month.

[thorsim]

fair enough,

how would people feel about a discussion, planning solution someplace other than the AH boards?

[RSLQK186]

Not rejecting the idea, but if it were moderated by a participant that is not a CM or their appointee, I would have to say no thank you. Besides, anyone that did so without being vetted by the CM staff would be opening themselves up to accusations anyway.

[Krusty]

Frankly, Thorsim, I think you're trying to make way more out of it than you need to.

This isn't a scenario. It's an ever-changing FSO.

Making side-specific forums is only going to make things more difficult, make already-change-resistant people want to NOT change sides, and frankly it's a bit pretentious of the FSO event as a whole to pretend it really needs private forums.

I'm not saying it's perfect. There are bumps in the road now and then. Overall, however, it has survived for how many years now without private side-specific forums?


IMO, just like asking for no icons, "private forums" is just another way of making it like the AvA arena (as in during the "war" they have). We don't want that.

[Edgar]

fair enough,

how would people feel about a discussion, planning solution someplace other than the AH boards?

I say let the free market dictate...

Build it, Advertise it here and see if it takes off.
Ill join up and have a look.

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Edgar

[daddog]

You need to start your own thread about this.
Or punt one of the old ones that have had the same request.