GROUND THE HO

[JHerne]

Its becoming more and more rare lately to find a fight that doesn't end up with one person ramming another. When all you need to do is get a new plane - there's no punishment for being an bellybutton and ace piloting someone simply because they're on the losing end of a fight.

Sure, head-on attacks happened, but it was a real-life, life-ending game of chicken with no respawns.

So...I'm sure this horse has been beaten to death, but...

I'd like to see ppl who intentionally ram get grounded to the tower for a period of time - not much, maybe 30 seconds or a minute. What constitutes deliberate ramming? I'm not a programmer, but there's gotta be a way to determine if a collision course remains unchanged or deviated only slightly in a convergence. If we can figure out bullet trajectory and damage (and the results therein), then it should be feasible to figure out two bodies colliding and determining cause and effect.

And while we're at it - beating the dead horse - why is it that I get rammed by someone else, I get a shot down message, and he continues to fly?

I've pretty much given up flying fighters at this point - I GV and bomb and will sometimes fly tactical when the conditions permit. This has really ruined the game for me.

Now - before your egos and forum warriors start flaming away - I try to position myself so that head-ons don't happen. I've been known to initiate a head-on myself, but never for the deliberate purpose of ramming.

Does anyone else consider this a problem, and what else can be done about it? Perk 95% of all aircraft to discourage ram attacks and perhaps give some incentive to bring an aircraft home?

[Imowface]

you realise that it isnt always on purpose right? I have been in a fight where I lose track of my opponent and then 2 seconds later I fly right into him. Sorry but this whole post just seems like a 

[Zygote404]

I guess when ya think about it if he rammed you intentionally he could just as easily have pulled the trigger n killed you anyway, since to ram intentionally would require that he faced his plane and guns directly at your aircraft or at least very close to it.

I think most rams are the result of accidents during a HO and HO's are legitimate attacks.  HO's were part of WW2 combat and so they're part of AH.  

The ram mechanics are toejame, I was afk once climbing from a base while taking a dump and I came back to find I had rammed somebody, luckily they died too and I was only damaged in a minor way.

Other times I have been frantically turning while being bnz and got rammed and killed while the bnz'r flew off.  Not sure how a low slow turning plane rams a plane diving on it but well...

Avoiding a HO is pretty easy but it always opens you up to a deflection shot so its a gamble too.  Still they're not a big issue for me really.

[oakranger]

you realise that it isnt always on purpose right? I have been in a fight where I lose track of my opponent and then 2 seconds later I fly right into him. Sorry but this whole post just seems like a 

+1

[JHerne]

See Rule #6

[Westy]

nm. horse beaten to death to the 1000nth power.

[oakranger]

Its becoming more and more rare lately to find a fight that doesn't end up with one person ramming another. When all you need to do is get a new plane - there's no punishment for being an bellybutton and ace piloting someone simply because they're on the losing end of a fight.

Sure, head-on attacks happened, but it was a real-life, life-ending game of chicken with no respawns.

So...I'm sure this horse has been beaten to death, but...

I'd like to see ppl who intentionally ram get grounded to the tower for a period of time - not much, maybe 30 seconds or a minute. What constitutes deliberate ramming? I'm not a programmer, but there's gotta be a way to determine if a collision course remains unchanged or deviated only slightly in a convergence. If we can figure out bullet trajectory and damage (and the results therein), then it should be feasible to figure out two bodies colliding and determining cause and effect.

And while we're at it - beating the dead horse - why is it that I get rammed by someone else, I get a shot down message, and he continues to fly?

I've pretty much given up flying fighters at this point - I GV and bomb and will sometimes fly tactical when the conditions permit. This has really ruined the game for me.

Now - before your egos and forum warriors start flaming away - I try to position myself so that head-ons don't happen. I've been known to initiate a head-on myself, but never for the deliberate purpose of ramming.

Does anyone else consider this a problem, and what else can be done about it? Perk 95% of all aircraft to discourage ram attacks and perhaps give some incentive to bring an aircraft home?

You know those who are notorious for HOing and ramming do not get a lot of respect by other ppl who want to fight by skills. 

[JHerne]

Well if its a horse beaten to death, and by someone other than me, don't you think it merits consideration as a problem?

[Westy]

No. I don't believe it has merit and HTC isn't going to change HO or rams
because once in a blue moon a minuscule percentage of the player base
whines about them.


"You know those who are notorious for HOing and ramming do not get a
lot of respect by other ppl who want to fight by skills.  "

Hate to bust a bubble but whoopty_freeking doo.  This is an online game.
Players who HO or RAM or shoot chutes or vulch could careless about what
you think is <cough> "respectable" in an online game. 

[JHerne]

See Rule #6

[Westy]

"?It becomes the status quo because we allow it to be the status quo."

Oh bs.  Don't mix in game bugs and software limitations with player
behavior.

[gyrene81]

Well if its a horse beaten to death, and by someone other than me, don't you think it merits consideration as a problem?

It would be a nightmare to code without penalizing everyone that collides. I can think of many instances where collisions occur out of nothing more than bad luck and sometimes it looks like an intentional ram. Then again, if I'm merging with someone and he opens fire in a HO, I'm going to try and ram.

[ImADot]

It's a game.  Chill out and up a shiny new plane.  Score and rank don't matter, so who cares?  I know it's frustrating when you get a collision, but if you get that worked up about it I would think a short break is in order.

[JHerne]

See Rule #4

[oakranger]

I know Oak - I just can't figure out why everyone says its a dead subject and something we have to live with.

We all have things in this game that tick us off - trees that flip tanks, leaves that explode AP rounds, flying home and landing with one wing completely sheared off, spawn campers, etc. This wishlist is filled with people asking for stupid s**t, a few making legitimate requests, and everyone else flaming or voicing worthless opinions. It becomes the status quo because we allow it to be the status quo.

I'm not faulting the game or HTC, I'm faulting the mindset of many of the players. Ppl complain that A-20s ruin the GV experience, GVers complain the IL-2 ruins their experience, etc etc.

I know how you feel but you just have to over come the frustrations of some skill-less lame a-hole.  If you are a relativity new player (0-2 years into playing) and trying to improve your skill, thank you.  Keep at it and do not stoop down to their level.