Pick discussion

[uptown]

  yeah. i remember giving BigPat a hard time nore then once and last nite he was on the rook side. He sounds like hes 7 foot tall lumberjack Now I'm a pretty good sized guy, 5'11" and 260, but BigPat sounds like he could rip my head off and shove it up my toejam or (whatever the filter chooses)
If he was sitting next to me i'd keep my mouth shut and fly right.  

[Masherbrum]

I'd like to know what the OP has to say after 21 pages of hijacks. 

[grizz441]

OK  "Corky's law of AH Air Combat"     Posted a few pages back  but I'll cut and paste.

Pick, furball, bomb buildings, GV to your hearts content.  There is no right way  But keep in mind that how you treat the players in the game, good, bad or indifferent makes a difference.  Don't expect a pat on the back if you show a lack of courtesy.  If that bothers you, it's your problem.  My own experience is that if you treat folks decently, the game is more fun.  Again, as has been pointed out many times in this thread.  This is just an opinion, not law.  Do with it what you want.

I agree in principle but what does that really mean?  I wish you could come up with something a little more defined. 

and flotsom, nice addition to rule 1! I completely agree.

[CAP1]

yeah. i remember giving BigPat a hard time nore then once and last nite he was on the rook side. He sounds like hes 7 foot tall lumberjack Now I'm a pretty good sized guy, 5'11" and 260, but BigPat sounds like he could rip my head off and shove it up my toejam or (whatever the filter chooses)
If he was sitting next to me i'd keep my mouth shut and fly right.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Ql1Nw5Qnc

[grizz441]

treat everyone like you want to be treated is the best policy. I try but sometimes i fall short. Either not thinking or just don't care. We pretty much know what to expect from one another, especially if you post in the boards alot. I respect the hell out of the way Dan plays the game....Grizz too. Does anyone think that if Grizz is hanging there in a big fat 262..or anything for that matter, he shouldn't get picked?

I wouldn't expect anything less!  And when I am in my K4, I fully expect to get gang ho'd every sortie!  The fun is trying to elude such fate.  

[mechanic]

I agree in principle but what does that really mean?  I wish you could come up with something a little more defined.  

and flotsom, nice addition to rule 1! I completely agree.

he is saying it is all in one's own attitude.

For example: Player A cherry picks Player B.

Player B could say: 'You suck, you picked me, you cheated, you cant fight by yourself, loser.'

or

Player B could say: 'Doh, I should have seen that coming. Good kill S!.'

The same result happens, Player B got picked. But with the friendly answer both players had fun, with the insults, niether had fun.

So all Dan is saying is if everyone made an effort to be more friendly (and even more so, tolerant) no matter why or where they died, the game would be more fun for everyone.
Correct me if I am wrong Corky!

[Ack-Ack]

I'd like to know what the OP has to say after 21 pages of hijacks. 

I'd be very interested too but I don't think we'll see the OP posting on these boards anytime soon.   


ack-ack

[grizz441]

he is saying it is all in one's own attitude.

For example: Player A cherry picks Player B.

Player B could say: 'You suck, you picked me, you cheated, you cant fight by yourself, loser.'

or

Player B could say: 'Doh, I should have seen that coming. Good kill S!.'

The same result happens, Player B got picked. But with the friendly answer both players had fun, with the insults, niether had fun.

So all Dan is saying is if everyone made an effort to be more friendly (and even more so, tolerant) no matter why or where they died, the game would be more fun for everyone.
Correct me if I am wrong Corky!

Mm ok I think I understand.  So basically every effort should be made to avoid the nastiness?  Yea I agree!  But I thought the point he was also making had more to do with fighting style?  

[mechanic]

Mm ok I think I understand.  So basically every effort should be made to avoid the nastiness?  Yea I agree!  But I thought the point he was also making had more to do with fighting style?  

good point, perhaps i missunderstood that much.

So convert it to 'dont pick if you dont want to be picked'?

[Wiley]

So after 21 pages, we've come around to, 'It's nice to be nice'?

Wow.

In my experience, the difference between good tactics and cheap gangbanging and picking is quite often which side of the kill I'm on.  

I expect no quarter from my opponents but as with any exciting gameplay, at the instant the stream of 20mm sends my plane spiraling to the ground, if the situation was less than advantageous to me, there is quite often a moment of extreme frustration.  Where I think a lot of the people in the game would be a lot better off is to not let that spill onto the channels, PM or 200.  It serves no purpose and just creates a lot of noise.  I know quite a few people find that offputting, and I try to keep it to a minimum in my own behavior.

So really, it seems like we're not even talking about flying, we're talking about behavior during and after the fact, not necessarily what happened in the gameplay.

Wiley.

[grizz441]

good point, perhaps i missunderstood that much.

So convert it to 'dont pick if you dont want to be picked'?

Well nobody wants to be picked.  And you are going to get picked regardless of if you pick or not, that tis the game.

How about... "If you pick, expect to get picked.  If you don't pick, expect to get picked."  

[CAP1]

the true sign of my suckage, is that no one has ever pm'd me accusing me of cheating, or of being a meanie poopiehead for killin their cartoon plane.

 i almost got there once.....as i was accused on 200 of cheating when i hit a guys lancs from a manned gun.......

[grizz441]

So after 21 pages, we've come around to, 'It's nice to be nice'?

Wow.

In my experience, the difference between good tactics and cheap gangbanging and picking is quite often which side of the kill I'm on.  

Exactly!  From one side, a picker waiting on the fringe of ack range for a swoop in is a nasty person in RL who has the mentality of a felon (to paraphrase shuffler).  However if you are the one doing it(to summarize Sunbat's film of shuffler), you are simply a victim of the development of the fight.   

[SEseph]

the true sign of my suckage, is that no one has ever pm'd me accusing me of cheating, or of being a meanie poopiehead for killin their cartoon plane.

 i almost got there once.....as i was accused on 200 of cheating when i hit a guys lancs from a manned gun.......

I suck and I've been accused of cheating... he was a putz 

[dedalos]

he is saying it is all in one's own attitude.

For example: Player A cherry picks Player B.

Player B could say: 'You suck, you picked me, you cheated, you cant fight by yourself, loser.'

or

Player B could say: 'Doh, I should have seen that coming. Good kill S!.'

The same result happens, Player B got picked. But with the friendly answer both players had fun, with the insults, niether had fun.

I will have to disagree here.  The other day I got tangled up with a 109F.  I was in a 205 with 100% fuel so it was going to be hard to begin with.  However, I turned around and got into it.  There was traffic in the air but all above us at 5K or more.  Needless to say I was losing bad but I wanted to see how long I would last or if he would make a mistake.  He finally made one and I thought I could get angles on him.  Same time a G6 shows up over our heads and he looked like he was coming in.  I broke off to see what he was up to.  He made a circle over head and started climbing away.  That allowed me to engage the F4 again and 2 or 3 minutes latter I was hitting the ground in flames.  I am not sure if the guy waved him off or if the G6 decided to just leave us alone.  The comments on 200 were not <S> or good fight.  The comments were "fun!".  Had the G6 come in, non of us would have had fun in that situation no matter what I wrote on 200.

Sure he could have picked me if I did not see him or gang a low slow 205 ready to die but again, no fun, no accomplishment, and he would have been a sitting duck for the next guy coming in high.