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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2010, 03:29:40 AM »
when the ki-84s were being built, the metal was of very low quality.

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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2010, 04:14:34 AM »
You mean specifically the metal used to connect control surfaces, or just all of the metal in general over the two year production period? Even if that were true, did not other nations have quality issues during the war?
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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2010, 06:05:44 AM »
when the ki-84s were being built, the metal was of very low quality.
So if you look hard enough at the plane, it will fall apart? Sounds nice :rofl :rofl :rofl

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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2010, 08:41:16 AM »
For what its worth, all of the problems relating to the Ki-84 that I've been able to locate have stemmed from improper heat-treating of landing gear components, and mechanical failures of the Ha-40 and 140 (Koh and Tei) engine as a result of poor quality control.

Despite a stack of books on Japanese aircraft nearly 4 feet high, I've never been able to locate a source or reason for the Hayate shedding parts in a dive. That's not to say it doesn't exist (the reference) or that it didn't exist (the problem), but I haven't been able to locate it.

As to the Ki-100 - it was a superior aircraft to the Ki-61-Tei in all but top speed. The reduction of weight in going from the Ha-140 to the Ha-112 improved performance dramatically, making the Ki-100 a formidable fighter for its time. Reduction in overall weight equates to a reduction in wing loading, which improves performance.

Simply comparing it to the Ki-61 and saying 'we already have that' isn't giving the conversion its due. There were countless aircraft that went through this process and the results were superlative aircraft to the originals.

Fw-190A to Fw-190D-9 to Ta-152
Merlin Spitfire to Griffon Spitfire
F4U-1 series to F2G series
P-47D to XP-72
La-5 to La-7, then the subsequent La-9 and La-11 (although new designs and not direct descendants of the 5/7 series)

*Granted, a few of these aircraft never entered production or fell victim to jet designs, but it validates my point*

If it combines the performance of several aircraft into a single package, and creates yet another adversary that we have to think about before we engage, then why not? In terms of 'converting' the Ki-61, most of the 3-D model is already complete, weapons and ballistics data is already there, and engine data is readily available.

If it concerns us that having another uber-fighter (which this wasn't), then perk it along the lines the Spit XIV.

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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2010, 09:52:25 AM »
Perked.

Not before they perk the P-51.
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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2010, 10:03:04 AM »
Great, another Hurri2C, but with better climb rate and faster?


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How can you compare the turn rates of these planes to each other? Its not even close in-game.





IB would be like the CHog correct? little fatter, less moves?
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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2010, 10:09:40 AM »
Did the -B see combat?



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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 11:20:15 AM »
How can you compare the turn rates of these planes to each other? Its not even close in-game.





IB would be like the CHog correct? little fatter, less moves?

Aren't the Chogs cannons FAR superior to the IBs?? :headscratch:
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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2010, 11:41:50 AM »
In but perked  :aok
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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2010, 11:54:56 AM »
In but perked  :aok

Of course it needs to be perked!

Everything with cannons needs to be perked!

Even though the general consensus seems to indicate that the  50 cals are far superior to cannons.

If this plane was equipped with 4 20mm Hispanos I would agree, but its not.

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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2010, 01:40:06 PM »
In addition to the considerable weight saving, the Ki-100 also gained more than 20% power over the Ki-61. I posted some pictures of the last one in existence here, if anyone's interested:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,296722.0.html

Interesting information JHerne, if you could recommend a good book that covers the Ki-100 in depth I'd love to hear about it. Perhaps we should start a Ki-100 thread to not derail this one?

Junky I'm not sure the Ki-84-Ib model would take such a large hit on performance. Weight gain about 12 kgs per gun plus heavier ammo (but shorter clip). Extra weight also quite close the the C of G.

I quite like how the Ho-5s fire myself.


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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2010, 02:24:12 PM »
I'm no fan of japanese aircraft but off the top of my head, I know the engine is completely different, thus making it about 800 lbs lighter, removing hardware for the liquid cooled Ki61 engine.  Other than the fact that the Ki100 is basically the Ki61 airframe, I don't see much similarity...  And... The 61 is a Type 3 fighter, the Ki100 is a Type 5 fighter.   :D

Krusty while I don't necessarily agree with Perrine's assessment of the Ki-100, you keep asserting that the Ki-100 is the same as the Ki-61. Could you please explain how this could be possible, given the available data for both aircraft?


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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2010, 03:53:40 PM »
Of course it needs to be perked!

Everything with cannons needs to be perked!

Even though the general consensus seems to indicate that the  50 cals are far superior to cannons.

If this plane was equipped with 4 20mm Hispanos I would agree, but its not.



I can see how 50s would be considered as 'far more' based on the number of rounds and projectory (I am that bad of a speller, yes) but other that that, cannons are easy mode   :neener:
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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2010, 04:00:10 PM »
I can see how 50s would be considered as 'far more' based on the number of rounds and TRAjectory (I am that bad of a speller, yes) but other that that, cannons are easy mode   :neener:

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Re: The KI-84-IB
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2010, 04:05:24 PM »
Fixed. : :salute

I think a "projectory" is what I get when I see Megan Fox. :O


I happen to be looking at her picture when I typed, that girl is distraction and sudden tightness in the boxers  :D
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