UFO's real?

[AAJagerX]

But still you just can't dismiss all UFO phenomena as liars or wackos.

No, you can't.  Only 99.9999999% can be dismissed as liars or wackos.

[Slash27]

No, you can't.  Only 99.9999999% can be dismissed as liars or wackos.

There is way too much video available, with more gathered everyday, to just pass it off as " drunken redneck wackos who saw a weatherballon caught in windshear while flying through swamp gas with ball lightning passing in front of Venus."

[bozon]

Why is an unidentified flashing light in the sky immediately associated with aliens?

It could be god for all we know.
 

[Sundowner]

I find it interesting how some on this board always stick up for the military, and (rightly so) hold honest, hard working military personnel in the highest esteem.

That is until they come forward and talk about UFO's, and hypothesize that they might me of ET origin... ... ...

Then suddenly they are wackos, and nutjobs.  Remember these guys are USAF Captains, ( I think they know their military aircraft pretty well) who cannot explain what they, along with dozens of their subordinates, saw.  It bothers me that some dismiss all unexplainable phenomena away so quickly with the "wackos" or "rednecks in trailer parks" argument, without even bothering for one instance to consider the validity or credibility of their claims.  Always just the knee-jerk reaction of "Oh, he said UFO, he's a wacko."

For all you mockers I would ask you to seriously look into some of these instances.

JAL flight 1628 over Alaska.   UFO spotted by experienced airline pilots, it tailed them through several turns, tracked on military ground and airborne radar, even the FAA investigated it.

Or the famous Ohio UFO in the 60's which police chased/followed over several hours and counties.  I've read about other more recent similar cases, but I can't remember where they took place.

The UFO at Chicago O'Hare a few years ago.

These are just a few of the real good UFO cases.  I'll freely admit that most of the UFO hype IS BS, and there are a lot of wackos out there who make up stuff just to get attention.  But buried in all that BS there are also REAL unexplainable events, with multiple, reliable, credible sources.  

The military took UFO's very seriously for a while, they regarded it as a potential national threat and started project Blue Book with top scientists.  When they realized that they just could not explain away some of the sightings, they adopted the mock and ridicule tactic to diffuse public curiosity on the subject.  Obviously this worked well.

Don't be so quick to dismiss every case as simply wackos until you've at least looked into it a bit.

Good post, saggs.

It is sometimes a real challenge to get a serious discussion on this topic.

As for me...I tend to respect these guys that came forward. The list of witnesses of high caliber continues to increase.

Regards,
Sun

[uptown]

anything is possible. 

[SEraider]

Aliens with bright lights???

At least Illegal aliens have the common sense to turn their lights off so not to be seen. 

[Charge]

"Why is an unidentified flashing light in the sky immediately associated with aliens?
It could be god for all we know."

"Aliens with bright lights??? At least Illegal aliens have the common sense to turn their lights off so not to be seen."

Exactly my thoughts too!! 

If they do exist, to begin with, and are merely observing what we do they do it quite badly. If the light is, say, some kind of by product of their high speed travel in atmosphere or other byproduct of propulsion system why don't they cool off or whatever in desolate areas and then move on to observe the habited areas if that's what they are supposedly "stealthily" doing.

UFOs with headlights on because otherwise they would not see where they are going... 

If there are aliens around I give a rat'sass as long as they have no effect on my everyday life.

-C+

[DYNAMITE]

I thought two movies to be pretty kewl.

Take it witha grain of salt

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/43406/UFO_4_your_eyes_only_part_1/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/43409/UFO_4_your_eyes_only_part_2/

Grain of salt indeed.... never the less, that was some amazing footage.

[dedalos]

I find it interesting how some on this board always stick up for the military, and (rightly so) hold honest, hard working military personnel in the highest esteem.

That is until they come forward and talk about UFO's, and hypothesize that they might me of ET origin... ... ...

Then suddenly they are wackos, and nutjobs.  Remember these guys are USAF Captains, ( I think they know their military aircraft pretty well) who cannot explain what they, along with dozens of their subordinates, saw.  It bothers me that some dismiss all unexplainable phenomena away so quickly with the "wackos" or "rednecks in trailer parks" argument, without even bothering for one instance to consider the validity or credibility of their claims.  Always just the knee-jerk reaction of "Oh, he said UFO, he's a wacko."

For all you mockers I would ask you to seriously look into some of these instances.

JAL flight 1628 over Alaska.   UFO spotted by experienced airline pilots, it tailed them through several turns, tracked on military ground and airborne radar, even the FAA investigated it.

Or the famous Ohio UFO in the 60's which police chased/followed over several hours and counties.  I've read about other more recent similar cases, but I can't remember where they took place.

The UFO at Chicago O'Hare a few years ago.

These are just a few of the real good UFO cases.  I'll freely admit that most of the UFO hype IS BS, and there are a lot of wackos out there who make up stuff just to get attention.  But buried in all that BS there are also REAL unexplainable events, with multiple, reliable, credible sources.  

The military took UFO's very seriously for a while, they regarded it as a potential national threat and started project Blue Book with top scientists.  When they realized that they just could not explain away some of the sightings, they adopted the mock and ridicule tactic to diffuse public curiosity on the subject.  Obviously this worked well.

Don't be so quick to dismiss every case as simply wackos until you've at least looked into it a bit.

The fact that some one could not explain something, does not make it of ET origin. 
The chances that some advance civilization from far away came here to flash lights at a farm and probe rednecks for 40 years are very slim.   
I'd like to see a UFO over the white house instead of a farm or trailer park.   And I mean a UFO of ET origin, not a glider with lights on it 

[DYNAMITE]

[FLOTSOM]

I'm not saying these guys are genuine, they may be liars, who knows, But I can refute points from both your scenarios:

Why would the military brass bother pulling him back for a court martial?  This would only lend credence to his story, when, if they just ignore it completely they know that 80% of the public will simply think he is a crazy nutjob and the story dies out quickly.  Imagine if the military does pull him in for a court martial, then the media is all over the UFO story because it suddenly has new found credibility.

they would arrest him and charge him because the fact that he disclosed what was classified as a secret, the secret divulged is irrelevant, its the talking about it that matters. in addition they can still through his arse in prison and they can still bury the story in any tale of BS they want to spin

Cause I'm sure that all these wacko UFO hounds are rolling in the $$$$ and have hundreds of thousands to throw around bribing USAF personnel.

well they have enough money to own private planes, pay for fuel and upkeep and fly UFO patrols all over the country. they have enough money to fly on commercial flights all over the world and stay in hotels for prolonged periods of time while investigating reported sightings

But why?  Why would these UFO conspirators do this.  They're not coming forward themselves, they get no notoriety.  What is there motive for supposedly bribing folks to corroborate fake stories?  Money? nope, you say they are losing money.  Power? nope, they get no position or esteem from it.  Ego? nope, the folks they bribe get all the attention.  Your logic is missing a key element.... motive.

fame and notoriety are definite motives. contrary to what you believe they get alot of it in their own circles and in the public eye, for example have you seen the shows on TV that some of these guys produce and star in? (they also get paid for this) how about the books that these guys write on a constant basis, who do you think gets paid for that? they also get to be king at the UFO conventions. people who have never been an anybody will do some amazing things for a little bit of attention

Lastly, I said before I met a man who was a lowly MP at Minot, ND in the 80's during a UFO incursion.  He told me about it around the campfire one night.  I trust him because I have no reason not to.  He is not selling his story, he's never been on late night AM radio, he gets no notoriety from it, he is not a wacko or mentally ill, (he is a civilian DOD contractor now.)  After the incident he said there was no threatening to keep quiet, or men in black, or secrecy acts to sign.  It happened, it was weird, they talked about during their long boring shifts for a while, eventually there was nothing more to talk about, end of story.

your friends story is the kind of story that i would have some belief in, not in that ET was there for a certainty, but that an event happened that your friend witnessed and that he couldn't explain. it is what it is and that is all there is to it. those kind of stories that truly make you stop and say hmmmmmm  

Anyways, I respect your, and your father's opinions, and I feel they have some validity, like I said most of it is probably is BS phony stuff.  

But I don't think it all is. Look at the JAL 1628 incident, did someone bribe all those pilots, and radar operators too? The FAA obviously thought it had some credence. OR the police officers, they had to have been all bribed beforehand to set it all up, since their radio calls as they chased it are all on tape. What about former AZ governor Fife Symington, he already has lots and lots of money, they must have given him a really humongous bribe.  And what about what I personally saw?  No one bribed me, and I have been mocked for it, oh well, I'm over it.

the FAA is actually required to start and conduct an investigation anytime some one says there was any kind of event on board a commercial airliner. thats like saying that a person must be a drug dealer because so and so said he was and the DEA investigated him. just because there is an investigation into something does not mean that there was truly anything that went on. it must be investigated before it can be explained in either direction. in addition do you know that the FAA has been investigating ghosting of commercial flights by drug smugglers and possible terrorist/enemy incursions into American airspace for a long time now? a small leer type jet will fly in the radar shadow of a commercial plain to avoid detection from ground radar. if the ghosting pilot makes mistakes he will appear and disappear on ground radar. believe it or not this was actually first practiced by night escort fighters in WWII. as far as the police calls well that has the potential to be many things, maybe it was a craft not of earthly origin, or maybe it was a military flight i can only say i dont know.

In this instance I will concede that it is entirely possible that these guys made it all up for the attention or whatever reason.  But still you just can't dismiss all UFO phenomena as liars or wackos.

i guess my biggest scepticism on the entire alien visitor thing is that we have more than a few types of early warning systems looking no just within our atmosphere but outside and into space as well. now if we can occasionally spot these ships on local radar why do we never spot them outside of our atmosphere, on their approach or as they exit? why do our satellites that listen in space never hear them enter or exit our atmosphere, why are their fireballs as they enter the atmosphere never seen on the video monitors that are pointed into space. when they have footage of those kinds of events then i will be less sceptical, but until then i will chose to maintain a healthy serving of doubt.

i do not dismiss all sightings as being from the mouth of waco's, i do not imply that your story or your friends story is fake or made up. i believe you saw something that you cant explain or dismiss in what would seem to be a rational manner. i am just very sceptical of those who want their time in the sunshine, those who tell their story with something to gain or those who are obsessed.

[Jayhawk]

Why is an unidentified flashing light in the sky immediately associated with aliens?

It could be god for all we know.
 

I wasn't gonna say it, god has been the fallback for many things we can't explain, don't know how aliens stole this one away.

[dedalos]

Why is an unidentified flashing light in the sky immediately associated with aliens?

It could be god for all we know.
 

Or his cousin Cletus  that had a few more beers than he should have?   That would also explain the trailer park visits 

[APDrone]

The biggest problem I have with jumping on the 'Aliens are here' bandwagon is the premise that if that is the case, our government has done an excellent job at covering it up.  And I don't have faith our government is capable of something that well done. 

That being said...

If it is a coverup, then, maybe it is for a very good reason.  Maybe John Q. Public doesn't want to know the aliens are coming and the world will be destroyed in a few years.  A fact of that magnitude would completely dissolve civil obedience and the mayhem that would ensue would be catastrophic..

I do not make any accusations against those that claim they saw something.  I wasn't there, so I cannot judge.

In my heart, I hope they did see something of an alien origin.  Would certainly spice things up a bit. 

In the meantime, the volleys of 'they do exist' vs. 'they don't exist' is entertaining, to say the least.   

[bozon]

I wasn't gonna say it, god has been the fallback for many things we can't explain, don't know how aliens stole this one away.

Exactly my point, but the irony is that I think that between the two, the ET option is actually the more plausible one...
but still highly unlikely.