Brewster

[BiPoLaR]

bipolar im sorry to say this but the Brewster B239 is modeled correctly. The Navy and Marine and British versions were weighted down heavily with armor that the B239 didnt have. The B239 is correct as is...

he spit it out and you lick it up. go kick your dog. and facepalm while youre at it.

[321BAR]

he spit it out and you lick it up. go kick your dog. and facepalm while youre at it.

dude. you know me im not ankle-humping ackack, im telling you my own statement and it just agrees with ackack. ive argued with ackack before. chill out, its a discussion, not a fight...

[BiPoLaR]

dude. you know me im not ankle-humping ackack, im telling you my own statement and it just agrees with ackack. ive argued with ackack before. chill out, its a discussion, not a fight...

lmao i am chill. trust me there 

[uptown]

I fart in the Brewsters general direction. They should give perks just to get folks to fly the ugly POS. 

[Stoney]

Until you provide any data, it's just a whine

QFT...  This whine (and others) comes up again and again.  Show us some numbers and we'll be the first to participate in the discussion...

[Rich46yo]

The Brewster was simply the wrong plane at the wrong time for America. I'll add that the Spitfire was also overwhelmed by Zero-sen at first, and by the battle hardened IJN pilots. Later, when the now experienced surviving Spit pilots changes their tactics, the Spit did well against them. But the Brits and Aussies learned not to get in the type of turn fights against Zeros that worked so well against 109s over England.

The Brewster actually outperformed the F4F Wildcat in early trials. Brewster's assembly plant was a model of inefficiency and between that, and the early fights against the IJN, and the Brewsters fate was sealed in US service. I forget the version we flew but the Finnish 239 was much like the early, lighter, and more nimble Buffalo.

Fast forward to summer 1941 when the FAF got their 239s. Very capable Finnish pilots liked the plane a lot. It simply did about everything well and was easy to maintain in the poor conditions they operated in. Moreover put a good airplane in the hands of very good pilots and put them up against very bad pilots in very poor airplanes and you end up with what happened when the Finns pretty much slaughtered the reds. A USN version would be much heavier with armor and wing fuel tanks and who knows what. I like the 239 as it is and dont think its overmodeled at all.

I think its a great addition to the game, with a special place in history. The Brewster is a winner!

[Imowface]

Brewster did great against Yak's and other early war planes, but you can also not say how good a plane is because of how many kills it got on in expirenced pilots, which is like shooting them on the ground pretty much, over modled or not, it will do the same in Ah as IRL, equal pilots in brew and Yak, brew will probably win, equal pilots in brew and I-16, brew will win, equal pilots in La-5/7, it would be like that time in US history when so many buffalo got killed they almost went extinct, the only thing I would like to ask though, is are there any reliable sources that state how a 239 does in a high speed dive? as I have taken on close to 500+ mph and still retained good control, which could be right, but it just seems odd

[Ruah]

look ma, I'm posting in a brewster thread!!

honestly, I think the pilots who fly it have no sense of aesthetic and enjoy killing late ware rides in their pos planes. . . then again, I tend to get frustraited with them because they are light - but seemingly well armored.  Takes an awful lot of bullets to bring one down. . .

[uptown]

I wish more people flew them to be quite honest. 

[FLOTSOM]

Brewster did great against Yak's and other early war planes, but you can also not say how good a plane is because of how many kills it got on in expirenced pilots, which is like shooting them on the ground pretty much, over modled or not, it will do the same in Ah as IRL, equal pilots in brew and Yak, brew will probably win, equal pilots in brew and I-16, brew will win, equal pilots in La-5/7, it would be like that time in US history when so many buffalo got killed they almost went extinct, the only thing I would like to ask though, is are there any reliable sources that state how a 239 does in a high speed dive? as I have taken on close to 500+ mph and still retained good control, which could be right, but it just seems odd

i understand your point about thinking that the brew shouldn't compete well against the late war rides, but from my very limited experience this is an  incorrect assumption on your part.

i found the other day in the DA that in a brew i could stay inside a hurri IIc in a sustained turn, out quick turned a zero and out dove a G14 at a speed of approximately 540 mph. now i understand that speed and angle and starting position all make a major difference in each of these encounters, so i do not state these as gospel on the performance of the brew, i state them just to show that the brew did much better in these areas than i expected it to do against "better"  rides. and lets not forget the gun package, its only 4X.50's with 1200 rounds total, but if you aim for the canopy when you fire then 1200 rounds will send alot of pileets to the tower before you need to rearm.

i think this may become my new base defender ride of choice!

is it accurately modeled?? well i don't know. but its a fun non-uber ride that has good knife fighting characteristics without being to over the top.

take it for a spin in the DA, i think you ll like it as a hanger toy but you will also find that you cant out climb a pigeon with a broken wing so stay away from any type of vertical fights, and its high (above 10,000) alt characteristics are just not there. this is NOT a bomber hunter/killer!!!

stay low stay sorta slow, make them come to you and fight your fight. a lil attention to your sa and you will dodge pickers until you frustrate them enough to make the mistake of turning, from that moment on its your fight.

if you see me on give me a shout, ill go to the DA and practice with ya!

 

[Ack-Ack]

i understand your point about thinking that the brew shouldn't compete well against the late war rides, but from my very limited experience this is an  incorrect assumption on your part.



 

No, the Brewster will not compete against a late war plane unless the flyer in the later war plane is utterly clueless.

ack-ack

[Perrine]

as I have taken on close to 500+ mph and still retained good control, which could be right, but it just seems odd

I've come to terms that US fighters sans p38 are just better divers.  Only fw190 can come close in this regard.

[FLOTSOM]

No, the Brewster will not compete against a late war plane unless the flyer in the later war plane is utterly clueless.

ack-ack

well i knew that it was inevitable that one of the gods of this game must chime in. well Ack have you flown it yet?

if you have have you turn fought with it?

would you mind telling me exactly what in this game can out turn it?

so my point is simple, if you don't allow yourself to become easy fodder for a picker (heavy dose of SA) in a late war ride then how exactly do you plan on defeating the Brewster in your late war ride?

if you don't speed in and boom it then i don't care what your flying you wont out turn fight even a medium skilled pilot in it.

the biggest defence the Brew has against pickers and the "boom and zoom" style attack is its ability to spin itself on its tail and face you as you boom in. now you are looking at either evading, ramming or getting Ho'd. i think you will find that booming this crate will in short time prove to be much more difficult than you think.

contrary to most rides in the game the closer this crate stays to the ground the safer it is. those who boom it will have to come it at a more vertical dive to try to avoid the HO as the Brew's nose up maneuvering is not as fast as its flat turn ability, but this leads to the inevitable auger as those who dive in try to stay at max speed as they make their pass and either eating dirty from compression or blacking out and eating dirt, all to avoid the shot in the arse they may get when/if they overshoot. i can see landing multiple proxy kills a flight due to this.

do not mistake what i am saying here, it is not the be all end all of cartoon airpower tech, but it has its place in the line up, and with a little bit of practice then even a novice can give you a game of trying to kill him instead of just laying down and dying just because you have flown into his presence.

i think you may start to see these appear as a newbie ride, in place of some of the LA7's or Spitt 9's or 16's we normally see.

i don't see this as a bad thing.

fly the plane a bit Ack, i think you will find some fun in it.

[Ack-Ack]

I've come to terms that US fighters sans p38 are just better divers.  Only fw190 can come close in this regard.

The P-38 is an excellent diver, the problem is that the majority of those that fly the P-38 are utterly clueless and don't know how to dive it.  Those of us that do know how to fly the P-38 properly have no troubles reaching maximum dive speed in a P-38 and still retain control and keep out of compressability.


ack-ack

[321BAR]

well i knew that it was inevitable that one of the gods of this game must chime in. well Ack have you flown it yet?

if you have have you turn fought with it?

would you mind telling me exactly what in this game can out turn it?

so my point is simple, if you don't allow yourself to become easy fodder for a picker (heavy dose of SA) in a late war ride then how exactly do you plan on defeating the Brewster in your late war ride?

if you don't speed in and boom it then i don't care what your flying you wont out turn fight even a medium skilled pilot in it.

the biggest defence the Brew has against pickers and the "boom and zoom" style attack is its ability to spin itself on its tail and face you as you boom in. now you are looking at either evading, ramming or getting Ho'd. i think you will find that booming this crate will in short time prove to be much more difficult than you think.

contrary to most rides in the game the closer this crate stays to the ground the safer it is. those who boom it will have to come it at a more vertical dive to try to avoid the HO as the Brew's nose up maneuvering is not as fast as its flat turn ability, but this leads to the inevitable auger as those who dive in try to stay at max speed as they make their pass and either eating dirty from compression or blacking out and eating dirt, all to avoid the shot in the arse they may get when/if they overshoot. i can see landing multiple proxy kills a flight due to this.

do not mistake what i am saying here, it is not the be all end all of cartoon airpower tech, but it has its place in the line up, and with a little bit of practice then even a novice can give you a game of trying to kill him instead of just laying down and dying just because you have flown into his presence.

i think you may start to see these appear as a newbie ride, in place of some of the LA7's or Spitt 9's or 16's we normally see.

i don't see this as a bad thing.

fly the plane a bit Ack, i think you will find some fun in it.

as much as i hate having to agree with ackack twice in the same thread in two days, i need to agree with him here too... i eat brewsters up easily. and ive flown it also, i hate its style of combat, it makes me feel like the brewster is an american zero and i cant believe this because my a6m5b is a lovely nimble bird that very few pilots can get me in one on one... furballs are a different story though

late war birds can kill brewsters easily unless the late war pilot is clueless to what he/she is doing.