forget it

[uptown]

Well I hope some of you are right about the chalenge=voss thing because if you're wrong you will need a napkin to wash the egg off your face.

No..i'll be a man and try to make things right. I hope he does prove everyone wrong actually.


O but i'm a loser......FORGET IT

[grizz441]

Well I hope some of you are right about the chalenge=voss thing because if you're wrong you will need a napkin to wash the egg off your face.

I agree, but it has been proven without a shadow of doubt he was not a rookie when he started in tour 74.  He lies about that.  The stats I just posted prove that.  If you want to get deeper, you can actually look at the planes he flies and see the comparison to a past player that disappeared a few months before he surfaced.  Metatron.  Metatron was widely known to be Voss years ago and he even admitted it.  I'm sure a bbs vet has that thread favorited.  So if A=B, and B=C, then A=C.  I learned that mathmatic function in the 1st grade.  The first step to learning the truth is accepting the stats I posted above are impossible to be achieved by a rookie.  Not even the best pilots to ever play this game could achieve statistics anywhere near those marks in their first 2-3 months.  So that's step 1.  One you realize that, then it becomes fact that Chalenge is lying about:

It has only been Chalenge nothing else.

If you continue to follow this logical sequence, you will come to the realization that he is hiding his real identity.  The parallels with a notorious player who would want his identity hidden are striking based on evidence from a bevy of other sources, eye witness, and statistical.  

By the end of the investigation, the conclusion is obvious.  This course of Logic Stew brought to you by the Hot Soup Mafia.

[greens]

I check my 6 evey 6 mins too TxVx LOL also more importantly i check all chicks 6's every 6 seconds not MINUTES 

[elc7367b]

Uptown, about those stats, you are dillusional in thinking that somehow I am required to explain anything to you?  The only evidence you bring is what, numbers from a game?  I don not have the time nor the inclination to research who else might have come to this game and for whatever reason managed to perform well in a relatively short period of time.  How about you provide to us someone who has met this Voss character face to face.  Can you do that for us?  It seems to me that Lyric has made a good point in his post.   In my dealings with chalenge, I have never been led to believe he is anything other than who he says he is.  That is good enough for me. 

Why are you so disgruntled towards him anyway?  Is it becasue your bid to return to the sick pups squad was rejected?  He was on your side in that bid but was ovridden by votes from other members.  Another question I have for you is this:  If you really believe chalenge is this voss, why would you want to be a part of any squad he is in?  You see, we really don't want mudslinging name callers in this squad.  That is why your bid to return was rejected.  If you want to be bitter at anyone, be bitter at the squad because it was the squad, not chalenge that did a "no" vote for your request to return.

And if you could care less who chalenge is or was prior, why do you continue to perpetuate a baseless rumor?

Muttman   

[lyric1]

There's this little program called AKUAG from our friends Airborn Kitchen Utility Assault Group and you can basically type in a pilots name and it download's all the statistics from that player over his entire 'career'.  Here are Chalenge's statistics from the start of his first tour 74 and on.  (Recent tours neglected due to size of screencapture).

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Do these look like the stats of a rookie lyric1?  Even if you don't believe he is the infamous Voss, you can't be so naive to believe this is his first go round at this game.  Is it possible that there is something to all of this and you are being taken for a ride?  Or is chalenge just so uber that he can start up aces high and be sporting a k/d of 10 a month later.  Also the 12% and 14% hit percentages with just 2 months of experience???   If you think he is capable of that you have never flown against the guy.  He isn't good, he just had a lot of experience prior to.

I am not a numbers guy never have been never will be when it come to stats. So I am not the person to ask this question. Could you post a link to that stats page please I would like to see it though & how it works.

I do seem to recall Chalenge/Richard Vause on a few occasions in the past explain that he has played flight SIMS for some time prior to AHII on the BBS. How ever each time he was always blasted as Voss/Paul Hinds so at what point do you just give up trying to explain your self?

Back to stats for a second if you look at them you will see Chalenge has not been on of late? Well he has been trying his hand at another flight SIM game & in a very brief time he is doing very well at it. Some people are just very good at certain things. I am not I have to work very hard at being mediocre at best in AHII.

You & him are both very good at this type of thing & what you both do seems to come effortlessly from my perspective.

Ahh & no I am not being taken for a ride if I was in doubt at all about who Chalenge/Richard Vause is I would never hang my self out on this BBS of AHII.

Now I have answered your questions to the best of my ability at this point. Do you have an answer for my question about if Fester has ever met Paul Hinds?

[grizz441]

I am not a numbers guy never have been never will be when it come to stats. So I am not the person to ask this question. Could you post a link to that stats page please I would like to see it though & how it works.

You have to click on Community/Scores&stats and then Player Statistics and you can select any player.  The AKUAG tool I use was a free program i dloaded a while ago from AKUAG's webpage but last time I checked the link was dead.

Back to stats for a second if you look at them you will see Chalenge has not been on of late? Well he has been trying his hand at another flight SIM game & in a very brief time he is doing very well at it. Some people are just very good at certain things. I am not I have to work very hard at being mediocre at best in AHII.

You & him are both very good at this type of thing & what you both do seems to come effortlessly from my perspective.

I'm telling you, no player can start out a new game and dominate like that who hasn't played before.  I flew Air warrior for years on end, came here and there was a long adjustment period, from the SA, to the ballistics, to the flight model. 

Now I have answered your questions to the best of my ability at this point. Do you have an answer for my question about if Fester has ever met Paul Hinds?

I honestly have no clue, but I doubt anyone has ever met the snake that is Voss in real life.

[RoGenT]

Always causing trouble UpTown 

[lyric1]

I agree, but it has been proven without a shadow of doubt he was not a rookie when he started in tour 74.  He lies about that.  The stats I just posted prove that.  If you want to get deeper, you can actually look at the planes he flies and see the comparison to a past player that disappeared a few months before he surfaced.  Metatron.  Metatron was widely known to be Voss years ago and he even admitted it.  I'm sure a bbs vet has that thread favorited.  So if A=B, and B=C, then A=C.  I learned that mathmatic function in the 1st grade.  The first step to learning the truth is accepting the stats I posted above are impossible to be achieved by a rookie.  Not even the best pilots to ever play this game could achieve statistics anywhere near those marks in their first 2-3 months.  So that's step 1.  One you realize that, then it becomes fact that Chalenge is lying about:

If you continue to follow this logical sequence, you will come to the realization that he is hiding his real identity.  The parallels with a notorious player who would want his identity hidden are striking based on evidence from a bevy of other sources, eye witness, and statistical.  

By the end of the investigation, the conclusion is obvious.  This course of Logic Stew brought to you by the Hot Soup Mafia.

You have proved nothing Grizz sorry it is called circumstantial. I am sure I could go through the entire list & find players with similar stats. Your own squad mate posted that Voss is Paul Hinds. I am telling you that Chalenge is Richard Vause now when I prove it with out any shadow of a doubt to all in this community on the BBS & I WILL.

What will be the next direction you want every one to start looking?

[Ardy123]

Whoever Voss, challenge, etc.. is .. is laughing his rear off at all this drama about a handle. and so goes another episode of

"The Real Pilots of Aces High"

[Ack-Ack]

Do you have an answer for my question about if Fester has ever met Paul Hinds?

I believe Fester was too young and wasn't playing AW when the whole thing with VOSS/Chalenge and TAS fraud-ware started and unless both of them went to any AH or WB Cons (don't believe VOSS/Chalenge played WB) then they wouldn't have met face to face.

ack-ack

[grizz441]

You have proved nothing Grizz sorry it is called circumstantial. I am sure I could go through the entire list & find players with similar stats. Your own squad mate posted that Voss is Paul Hinds. I am telling you that Chalenge is Richard Vause now when I prove it with out any shadow of a doubt to all in this community on the BBS & I WILL.

What will be the next direction you want every one to start looking?

Okay, prove that Chalenge's name is Richard Vause. 

[kilo2]

Okay, prove that Chalenge's name is Richard Vause.  

Conundrum. You will never be able to be sure of a persons idenity while only online; at some point you have to take someones word. This is the dilemma that is faced for both parties in this debate. So trying to prove voss=chalenge is almost impossible. People are going to believe what they want to.

[lyric1]

Okay, prove that Chalenge's name is Richard Vause. 

In due time. Now you asked me to ask Chalenge a question & I did & I posted the answer. So if you wont reciprocate with my question? If so there is not much point me answering any more of your questions. The door will have to swing both ways if you want me to keep answering you on this thread.

If your not going to ask your squad mate Fester my question let me know & I will just send him a PM. I see that he still pops in to the forums from time to time.

[grizz441]

In due time. Now you asked me to ask Chalenge a question & I did & I posted the answer. So if you wont reciprocate with my question? If so there is not much point me answering any more of your questions. The door will have to swing both ways if you want me to keep answering you on this thread.

If your not going to ask your squad mate Fester my question let me know & I will just send him a PM. I see that he still pops in to the forums from time to time.

I don't really know fester that well tbh and he has posted in the squad forums like once in the past year.  If i had to guess I would say no he has not met him.

[lyric1]

I don't really know fester that well tbh and he has posted in the squad forums like once in the past year.  If i had to guess I would say no he has not met him.

I am not about guessing here. Guessing is what has got this Voss nonsense started in the first place. So I take it you wont ask no problem I will send the PM my self.