What if we have titanic tuesdays everyday?

[Ardy123]

only 130 total players? Luche, any idea on how many are actually actively playing vs logging in to secure a spot, etc... ?

[Lusche]

only 130 total players? Luche, any idea on how many are actually actively playing vs logging in to secure a spot, etc... ?

Hard to tell. Usually theres about 50-60% in flight, but of course it's impossible to say how many of those not "inflight" are on prolonged afk or just looking at the empty map, looking for something to do.

But 100 LWO and 30 LWB at about 2.5 hours after caps kicked in.. I'd call that almost "dramatic". Is there any major internet breakdown I haven't heard about yet? 

[Guppy35]

There is good and bad in Titanic Tuesday really..................... And I appreciate both sides of it.  Titanic Tuesday is basically a furball day, or so it seems.  Look at the battle of V14/P15 (Knits/Bish) the last two days..... Nonstop over and over again.  I personally lost 4 Tiger's there, 2 to Floatsup that bum.  For 48 hours the battle just kept on going with 3 base takes in there.  But that's the other side of the game right?  Basetaking strategies?  On Titanic Tuesday it is increasingly difficult for anybody who doesn't want to just furball to get enjoyment out of the game. 

Can you define what a furball is to you?

I hopped on last night and as one looking for a dogfight, I could only find one spot, at the middle isle where we had some decent fights for a time but that ended when the crowd decided taking the v-bases was much more important.  Not that here weren't many other bases all around that big map for the taking.  Other then that, there were two spots with either a very large green dar bar overwhelming a small red, or a very large red overwhelming a small green.  I went to the small green first but hangers were down at any fields close and the CV was sunk.  Made it a bit tough to up to defend.

If that's a furball by your description, then I guess we have different definitions.

[muzik]

LOL then proxie kill from field ack is a loophole that seriously needs to be closed. All it does is promote lame game play,

However. I DO think that if your fighitng someone and can get them to eat a tree, Kiss the side of a barn or loop them into the ground. you should not only get kills awarded to your score. but perkies as well LOL

I didnt think proxies always counted for score. But if I had to guess, this is why we they do. And I dont think there will ever be a way for the game to distinguish fairly, the difference between an ack proxie like you describe and one you caused by your "skillful" manuevers.

[CDR1]

The mystery for me is simple. Luche has done many statistical queries and I assume Skuzzy and his gang are at least as good at it as luche. Granted data points usually don't tell you what to do , but they are pretty good at telling you to "Do Something". If TT is a response to data points in the first place then perhaps it's time to try a 3 day TT every 6 days and watch the data. I know this BBS doesn't sway many opinions but AH2 has not provided an alternative that is apparent to me.

[DREDIOCK]

I didnt think proxies always counted for score. But if I had to guess, this is why we they do. And I dont think there will ever be a way for the game to distinguish fairly, the difference between an ack proxie like you describe and one you caused by your "skillful" manuevers.

I know. Twas just wishful thinking on my part.

Proxies you didnt score hits on shouldnt count towards anything. Not kill count, not perks. Nothing. Either you shot the other guy down or you didnt.

[Lusche]

I just wanted to log on to get a bit of playtime before the caps kick in. We have 75 players in LWO. I have never ever seen number so low at this time before, not too long ago I would have expected about 150. Seeing that TT has finally ended, I guess it will get ugly again when caps kick in in about 2 hours...  

And this is how the evening turned out:



I can't remember having seen ever numbers that low without any special event or major login server failure. In fact, it's the first time I have even witnessed declining total numbers during an evening. I'm quite sure some players just logged off or turned around at the door due to the caps enforced low numbers. Today it takes 4 hours to get the momentum back, where not too long ago it took only 60 minutes. (See my historical comparison a few posts above).
Almost the whole euro evening we had 100 and 50 players only.


It's my firm belief that having exactly the same cap mechanism than we had with much more players is contributing to the problem. They may have been necessary once to avert an unhelathy gaming environment, but today they start to creating one.

But that's enough graphical nerdiness and feet stomping from me now

I will make one final comprehensive post in the Wishlist tomorrow... and then I can only hope.

[ROX]

It will never happen again.

HTC subscribes to the marketing dicta that giving the consumer what thay want is counterproductive.


ROX

[CHAPPY]

 

[MonkGF]

I can't remember having seen ever numbers that low without any special event or major login server failure.

Any chance some of this is due to issues with the patch, like fields screwed up, taters not causing damage, etc?

[Lusche]

Any chance some of this is due to issues with the patch, like fields screwed up, taters not causing damage, etc?

Doubt it very much. We had much greater issues in the past without any noticeable hit in numbers at all.
Also the decline (at least at us daytime) is going on for a longer time now.

And you can see when US evening begins, (00:00 on my graph), the numbers still rise sharply.

[bustr]

Lusch,

I understand your polling strategy and presentation to HTC through this forum.

I agree with your observations and sympathise with your position. Are you as a pollster performing any forcasting in terms that a very significant event is 3 weeks away for the entire United States and indirectly the world economy? Nov 3, 2010 may well see a happier U.S. population and a gradual increase in player numbers due to the impression that life as they know it may now be getting better. I suspect most U.S. based companies small to large are awaiting the outcome of this event and have response strategies in place for the outcomes. HTC would be no different in charting its future.

U.S. player numbers can probably be predicted with current unenmployment trends, consumer confidence numbers and future outlook pollings. Low U.S. player numbers right now are to be expected. Cultures and economies are always in flux but have general perameters of human activity that can be expected and charted as a human response to overal good or bad time based fortunes of the business cycles.

Are you working at a quarterly business cycle basis, six months or a year in trying to appeal to HTC to change the game? We all are waiting for Nov 3 here in the U.S.

[Lusche]

Lusch,

I understand your polling strategy and presentation to HTC through this forum.

I agree with your observations and sympathise with your position. Are you as a pollster performing any forcasting in terms that a very significant event is 3 weeks away for the entire United States and indirectly the world economy?

No. 

[BaldEagl]

Everything goes full cycle:

I sign up
In early AW the arenas were limited to 50 people and it was good because we didn't know any better.
In later AW the arenas were limited to 150 people and it was great!  Wow!
In early AH there were no limits and the numbers were even bigger and grew.  This was heaven!
In AH now the numbers are smaller and falling. 
Soon we'll be back to MA's of 50 people.
I sign off

[bustr]

The peak of the games social sewer problems and numbers looked like they also corrisponded with the high point in the world wide mortgage backed securities fraud.

Narcasism was rampant, people were working and money was available. I suspect Lusch has human nature and economic trending on his side to observe a need to change the arenas per his polling data. But, conservitively. This to would indicate the social control measures implimented due to the previous economic prosparity and poor human game conduct epidemic might be able to tollerate a measure of loosening. This would favor the promoting of more players in the same area to create less ability to avoid conflict.

Some of the processs of controlling the epidemic of bad player behavior have created environments condusive to avoiding conflict by social interaction due to distributing too few players across too large of territories. Two species that compete for similar food sources confied to a small territory will attempt to eliminate each other as a response. Increase the available resources and territory and they will avoid each other as a self preservation measure. The large hoard that currently takes bases at will is an example of self preservation avoidence leveraging the expanded territory to achive goals. The hoard currently has no reason to fight for anything.

I would venture all of 2011 will be a time frame that the previous styles of poor behavior would be controllable by the community itself as was true up to a few years ago. Call it a year long experiment in good behavior reward to generate more activity in the game and bring the community closer together.