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Offline JHerne

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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2010, 10:53:44 PM »
i gotta ask...what was the picture? its too big for me to see :rofl

It was an M-18  :lol
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2010, 11:11:14 PM »
And somebody should tell him to right click, "view image" to see it...........  :neener:
It was an M-18  :lol
i gotta ask...what was the picture? its too big for me to see :rofl
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2010, 06:36:07 AM »
It was an M-18  :lol
dont even go there :rofl
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2010, 10:07:10 AM »
P-38K!!!!

From the very beginning of America’s involvement in World War Two, Lockheed was looking for ways to improve the performance of the P-38. The installation of Rolls Royce XX Merlins was seriously considered. Lockheed went as far as designing the installation package. The advantages of the Merlin engine were numerous. First and foremost was the elimination of the complex turbocharger system. This would also result in a much cleaner engine nacelle. The turbo intercoolers could be removed. That would have allowed for a more aerodynamic package, closer in shape to that of the original XP-38. Another option was to remove the Prestone radiators and place them under the engine as in the P-40. This location had the additional advantage of reducing the length of the cooling system plumbing. This, in turn, reduced the risk of battle damage to the system. Either option would result in a significant reduction in drag and weight. A further benefit would be gained by the removal of intercooler ducting in the front portion of the outer wings. This volume could be utilized for increased fuel capacity. In fact, that is what was done when the P-38J was designed with revised intercooler cores that eliminated the ducting. This increased internal fuel capacity by 110 gallons.

Flight tests were conducted from late February through the end of April 1943. Performance was better than hoped for. Maximum speed at critical altitude (29,600 ft) was 432 mph (Military Power). At 40,000 feet, the "K" zipped along at a speed that was 40 mph faster than the current production P-38J could attain at this same height. Maximum speed in War Emergency Power, at critical altitude, was expected to exceed 450 mph. The increase in ceiling was just as remarkable. Flown to 45,000 ft on an extremely hot and humid day, Lockheed engineers predicted a "standard day" service ceiling in excess of 48,000 ft! Improvement of the cowling fit and the elimination of the heavy coat of paint would have gained even more performance. Due to the added efficiency of the new propellers, range was expected to increase by 10 to 15 %. Lockheed appeared to have a world-beater on their hands.

The plane, now designated the P-38K-1-LO was flown to Elgin Field for evaluation by the USAAF. Flown against the P-51B and the P-47D, this Lightning proved to be vastly superior to both in every category of measured performance. What astounded the evaluation team was the incredible rate of climb demonstrated by the P-38K. From a standing start on the runway, the aircraft could take off and climb to 20,000 feet in 5 minutes flat! The "K", fully loaded, had an initial rate of climb of 4,800 fpm in Military Power. In War Emergency Power, over 5,000 fpm was predicted.
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2010, 10:13:53 AM »
P-38K!!!!

From the very beginning of America’s involvement in World War Two, Lockheed was looking for ways to improve the performance of the P-38. The installation of Rolls Royce XX Merlins was seriously considered. Lockheed went as far as designing the installation package. The advantages of the Merlin engine were numerous. First and foremost was the elimination of the complex turbocharger system. This would also result in a much cleaner engine nacelle. The turbo intercoolers could be removed. That would have allowed for a more aerodynamic package, closer in shape to that of the original XP-38. Another option was to remove the Prestone radiators and place them under the engine as in the P-40. This location had the additional advantage of reducing the length of the cooling system plumbing. This, in turn, reduced the risk of battle damage to the system. Either option would result in a significant reduction in drag and weight. A further benefit would be gained by the removal of intercooler ducting in the front portion of the outer wings. This volume could be utilized for increased fuel capacity. In fact, that is what was done when the P-38J was designed with revised intercooler cores that eliminated the ducting. This increased internal fuel capacity by 110 gallons.

Flight tests were conducted from late February through the end of April 1943. Performance was better than hoped for. Maximum speed at critical altitude (29,600 ft) was 432 mph (Military Power). At 40,000 feet, the "K" zipped along at a speed that was 40 mph faster than the current production P-38J could attain at this same height. Maximum speed in War Emergency Power, at critical altitude, was expected to exceed 450 mph. The increase in ceiling was just as remarkable. Flown to 45,000 ft on an extremely hot and humid day, Lockheed engineers predicted a "standard day" service ceiling in excess of 48,000 ft! Improvement of the cowling fit and the elimination of the heavy coat of paint would have gained even more performance. Due to the added efficiency of the new propellers, range was expected to increase by 10 to 15 %. Lockheed appeared to have a world-beater on their hands.

The plane, now designated the P-38K-1-LO was flown to Elgin Field for evaluation by the USAAF. Flown against the P-51B and the P-47D, this Lightning proved to be vastly superior to both in every category of measured performance. What astounded the evaluation team was the incredible rate of climb demonstrated by the P-38K. From a standing start on the runway, the aircraft could take off and climb to 20,000 feet in 5 minutes flat! The "K", fully loaded, had an initial rate of climb of 4,800 fpm in Military Power. In War Emergency Power, over 5,000 fpm was predicted.
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2010, 10:34:23 AM »
de havland vampire. was is service in 1945  but just missed the war . Uses the Goblin centrifugal jet engine. 4 X 20mm cannon high agility but not as fast as the 262
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2010, 05:55:43 AM »


Fear me biches!!
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2010, 10:05:03 PM »
See Rule 19- Do not place sausage on pizza.
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2010, 11:06:07 PM »
The Lockheed L-133



I GOTTA GET TO TEH DEATH STARR!!! Looks very futuristic, also seems to be one of the revolutionary planes of the time that didn't cause certain death (i.e. landing gear, potential for excess fuel to mix and go boom, engine failure, etc.)
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #69 on: October 18, 2010, 02:28:53 AM »
Kind of like the Martin Baker MB5 myself. Looks like a P-51, but had a 2340hp Griffon, contra rotating prop and four Hispanos. Test pilots loved its performance (460mph) and handling, but although it first flew in 1944 the advent of the jet age killed it off.


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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #70 on: October 18, 2010, 09:16:11 AM »
That's one of the aircraft I was looking for Greebo...couldn't remember the name for the life of me (but I was too lazy to get into the books).

Pretty aircraft.
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #71 on: October 18, 2010, 12:26:37 PM »




Why? Because we all know...



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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #72 on: October 18, 2010, 06:40:09 PM »
 :noid :rofl
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #73 on: October 18, 2010, 06:52:03 PM »
 :noid
See Rule 19- Do not place sausage on pizza.
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Re: Since we're all being silly...
« Reply #74 on: October 18, 2010, 08:30:42 PM »
Well....I did say silly... :headscratch:
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