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[dedalos]

Hello all,

I don't tend to fly one plane.  Either I look at the map and see what would be affective at the moment or fly a plane because I want to learn it better.

That being said, what plane would you least want to see on YOUR six and why?


Thanks for your feedback,

Slade 

Where on my 6?  D200, any plane.  D1000 they are either dead or they will be running.

[SectorNine50]

you reply to the question the way you want....I will reply to the question the way I want....It's pointless to worry about what plane is on your 6....if they are on your 6 you are dead, unless of course there aim is like mine


my point is to show new guys the plane is not what you have to "worry" about....and that's not so "obvious"  

I completely disagree with this.  So your telling me that when a plane gets on your six you give up and just let him shoot you down because "you're dead anyway?"

A plane on your six will not be able to kill you until he has a gun solution, and there are things you can do to keep him from getting one.

I know I don't have to tell you, there are infinite different situations that a plane gets on your six, many of them are reversible.  My statement about the Spixteen was due to my experience with them, and my inability to shake them and reverse.

Some of the best fights I've ever won have started with that con on my six.

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heck no I never give up, and have givin many an nme my 6 just so they will fight, and have killed many, many cons who got my 6,   my whole point is if the con on your 6 is good, it does not matter what plane they are in, the plane is not what to worry about, the planes are just tools that are controled by a "stick" they are what you need to worry about, hell I dont even like using "worry" because its a game and the only way to get better is by fighting the guys that are better.   but thats all good you keep worring about the planes.....lol

[SectorNine50]

heck no I never give up, and have givin many an nme my 6 just so they will fight, and have killed many, many cons who got my 6,   my whole point is if the con on your 6 is good, it does not matter what plane they are in, the plane is not what to worry about, the planes are just tools that are controled by a "stick" they are what you need to worry about, hell I dont even like using "worry" because its a game and the only way to get better is by fighting the guys that are better.   but thats all good you keep worring about the planes.....lol

:::Sigh:::

Planes absolutely do make a difference.

I've reversed and shot down people I absolutely would not have shot down had they not been flying an aircraft 20 ENY worse.

[Ack-Ack]

That being said, what plane would you least want to see on YOUR six and why?

Any plane with forward firing guns.

ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

which is most of the time, but most of the time I can keep the tater from hitting me long enough to find help.

Instead of trying to live long enough to find help, why not try fighting the other guy? 

Think it was last week when I ran into you a few of times on the Baltic map and managed to get into a 1v1 fight a couple of times with you in a P-38L.  One thing I noticed is when I reversed on you both times and saddled up on your six, you basically ceased to fly.  It was like you put your plane on auto-pilot both times, like you were resigned to your fate of being shot down and did not at any time try any evasives or counters to reverse the roles.

This is something I see quite a bit within the last few years.  It seems that most now are more interested in looking for that "one magic move" instead of learning the fundementals of both BFM and ACM.  That's why you see a lot of these new Sierra Hotel Experten players that people look up to because they've got the vertical roll reversal down but us older, more experienced players don't see what the big deal is because when we get these "experten" in a 1v1 fight, since they only know one move they are soon fodder for us that have expanded our knowledge to just beyond one mere 'trick'.

Take this for what it's worth...before learning to be the greatest in any one plane take time to learn BFM and ACM and then it doesn't matter which plane you fly after that.  This is just something that I've picked up over the last 17 years playing these games, like I said take it for what it's worth.

ack-ack

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ack-ack I see completly understands.

[SectorNine50]

ack-ack I see completly understands.

All else equal, it makes a difference, just like everything in life.

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All else equal, it makes a difference, just like everything in life.

sorry but if the stick on your 6 is good, don't matter what he is flying, if he is in a plane that he knows it's even worse for you, you can be in a LA and have a zero get on your 6, if the zero stick is worth his salt you are going to the tower, would it matter if he was in an LA...hurri....P-40? 

I have not been flying in sims for 17 years, but I have been here since tour 52, pretty much only fly fighters, and in the last 3-4 years that's all i've flown, I have never ran for help cuz someone was on my 6, I fight to the death win or lose, anyone who fought against me in game knows I am a fighter, I fight the biggest red dar I can find....I was a natural at dogfighting, I was called a cheater my first week flying in AH,  I was getting kills my first day....since tour 52, I have gotten around 17,000+ kills(closer to 18 but cant remember off hand) and around 13,000 deaths,  95% of my kills are when I am out numbered.

trust me, the plane has maybe 10% to do with it, the stick has 70%  and initial position makes up the next 20%

learn ACM from the guys that kill you even though, you were just on their  6....learn to kill those guys, and then you will see that the damn plane don't matter.

last post on subject it's like hitting my head against a wall

[FLOTSOM]

last post on subject it's like hitting my head against a wall

this coming from a guy who use to have headbutt wars with a steel industrial refrigerator!!!!!! and in my humble opinion......he won!

[JOACH1M]

Ar 234 I don't want ever in my six!!

[dedalos]

saying that it does not matter what plane the guy on your six is in, is kind of silly.  It makes all the difference in the world.  You cannot respond the same way vs all the planes.  My reaction will be different vs a zero, a Ki84, a 190, a p40 or a hurri. 

Every plane has a weakness and and a strength.  You have to exploit the first and try to minimize the second.  So, yeah, what plane is on your six makes a huge difference no matter who the pilot is.  You have no clue who the pilot is, but you know what plane it is.  Start from there.

[Ack-Ack]

but you know what plane it is.  Start from there.

You're absolutely right, it's important to know the other plane's capabilities as well as knowing your own.  However, that knowledge is useless without the basics and that's knowing BFM and ACM.  Without knowing those two basic things it isn't going to matter what you do or what plane or who is on your six and learning the latest "trick du jour" isn't going to change that fact.

TalonXVX challenged me to the DA the other night and it became really clear after the merge that this was a person that had virtually no concept of BFM and absolutely no clue as to what ACM was.  All that it took to beat this guy was a simple Immelman Turn on the merge that put me on his six, this is a basic flight maneuver not even ACM.  I tried to explain it to him and what both BFM and ACM were and how to use them.  All he focused on was this "miracle move" I was pulling on the merge and that's all he wanted to learn, he didn't want to learn anything else so I left.  Saw him last night in the MA talking about mastering the "P-38 Himmelman" merge.  

ack-ack

[dedalos]

You're absolutely right, it's important to know the other plane's capabilities as well as knowing your own.  However, that knowledge is useless without the basics and that's knowing BFM and ACM.  Without knowing those two basic things it isn't going to matter what you do or what plane or who is on your six and learning the latest "trick du jour" isn't going to change that fact.

TalonXVX challenged me to the DA the other night and it became really clear after the merge that this was a person that had virtually no concept of BFM and absolutely no clue as to what ACM was.  All that it took to beat this guy was a simple Immelman Turn on the merge that put me on his six, this is a basic flight maneuver not even ACM.  I tried to explain it to him and what both BFM and ACM were and how to use them.  All he focused on was this "miracle move" I was pulling on the merge and that's all he wanted to learn, he didn't want to learn anything else so I left.  Saw him last night in the MA talking about mastering the "P-38 Himmelman" merge.  

ack-ack

Also true

[Plazus]

being said, what plane would you least want to see on YOUR six and why?

Don't really have a plane I like the least on my six. When I see someone on my six, I like to throw off all the useless P38 parts at him so I can get to the tower and reup quickly!