G4M1-11 Betty !

[Krusty]

G4M2 later 1943 really. Saw much more limited use. The G4M1-11 was by far the most numerous model made and the most representative. These continued to serve until halfway through 1943. G4M2 first production model wasn't even made until July 1943, training and distribution naturally takes a little while after this. I don't know when the first combat was.

The Ki-67's combat debut was in October 1944... It wasn't a massive flood. It took a while to become a common sight and even then many of those were considered as conversions for kamikaze later in 1945. It really is a 1945 plane. I rounded up for the couple of months it started trickling into combat.

The B5N really doesn't count in that it's a 1937 carrier bomber. I was talking about a larger land-based bomber akin to the Ju-88 and the B-25 and such.


EDIT: They continued to develop the G4M1-11 until 1945 with various modifications, though I don't know in what capacity. When Yamamoto was shot down, it was in a G4M1-11, as well! That brings up an idea for a scenario!

[JOACH1M]

Don't get me wrong im estatic for the new Betty, HE111 coming soon I hope

[AWwrgwy]

What, no co-pilot with a look on his face that he's about to slit your throat?

 
HTC

Looking forward to it!!

You miss this guy?





wrongway

[Perrine]

And now for a 2nd variant, how about some perked, special G4M and its perked cherry bomb for the arcade arena?

Here's how I think the gameplay mechanics of it should work...

For this to work, u need:

- a betty pilot with enough perk pts to fly to intended target
- invite 1 player to man the cherry bomb, that player needs to have bomber perk pts to man the cherry bomb

Here's how the scenario is gonna look like...

- Player with enough perk points pilots the special G4M
- Invited person with enough perk points is inside the cherry rocket bomb
- Both the Bomber pilot and the invited player have the control to release the cherry bomb, but first they have to mutually agree on a target first (a CV or 8 inch gun for example)
- Special G4M with cherry bomb attached is 15-20 miles away from the target, G4M pilot release the cherry rocket bomb with invited player strapped in.
- Invited player goes one-way, G4M pilot returns to base
- For both the special G4M and cherrybomb pilot not lose the perk points, the cherry pilot must hit target successfully and the special G4M bomber must return to base successfully. BANZAI!  Mission Accomplished  

[Tupac]

And now for a 2nd variant, how about some perked, special G4M and its perked cherry bomb for the arcade arena?

Here's how I think the gameplay mechanics of it should work...

For this to work, u need:

- a betty pilot with enough perk pts to fly to intended target
- invite 1 player to man the cherry bomb, that player needs to have bomber perk pts to man the cherry bomb

Here's how the scenario is gonna look like...

- Player with enough perk points pilots the special G4M
- Invited person with enough perk points is inside the cherry rocket bomb
- Both the Bomber pilot and the invited player have the control to release the cherry bomb, but first they have to mutually agree on a target first (a CV or 8 inch gun for example)
- Special G4M with cherry bomb attached is 15-20 miles away from the target, G4M pilot release the cherry rocket bomb with invited player strapped in.
- Invited player goes one-way, G4M pilot returns to base
- For both the special G4M and cherrybomb pilot not lose the perk points, the cherry pilot must hit target successfully and the special G4M bomber must return to base successfully. BANZAI!  Mission Accomplished  

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They arent going to add any kamikaze or suicide type weapons.

[Saxman]

WTFH IS it with people who want to be able to fly their planes into things to destroy them? Aren't the bomb-and-bail Lancstukas bad enough as it is?! There is NO situation whatsoever where allowing working kamikazes like the Ohka is going to be BENEFICIAL for gameplay in here.

Get in your plane. Take off. Bomb your target. GO HOME AND LAND.

Hitech should put a 100% Perk price on every "We need kamikazes!!!" post. Anyone who asks for kamikazes automatically and instantly forfeits every single one of their perks the moment they hit the "Submit" button. Fighter, Bomber, Vehicle, EVERYTHING.

[Perrine]

why can't axis get a perk bomber ride
could it be allied conspiracy?

[Perrine]

WTFH IS it with people who want to be able to fly their planes into things to destroy them? Aren't the bomb-and-bail Lancstukas bad enough as it is?! There is NO situation whatsoever where allowing working kamikazes like the Ohka is going to be BENEFICIAL for gameplay in here.

I agree.  There should be no kamkaze mode by driving your fighter/bomber to the ground

BUT

This special G4M + cherrybomb is different.  The invited player is driving a standoff missile with H.E. bomb, not a fighter/bomber to a target in dignified gameplay manner.

the lankstuka and 'the first long range standoff rocket cruise missile with a bomb in the history of the world'  analogy just doesn't compare.  It's dweebier to attempt lankstuka than to what I describe above which is more dignified

[APDrone]

You miss this guy?

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wrongway

It's been awhile.. but I thought he looked more sinister.

That guys has a 'WTF.. you bombed a Cow?'  look on his face..

[Tupac]

It's been awhile.. but I thought he looked more sinister.

That guys has a 'WTF.. you bombed a Cow?'  look on his face..

You, sir just made me spit sleepytime tea all over my computer screen.

I hope your happy.

[Karnak]

The Ki-67's combat debut was in October 1944... It wasn't a massive flood. It took a while to become a common sight and even then many of those were considered as conversions for kamikaze later in 1945. It really is a 1945 plane. I rounded up for the couple of months it started trickling into combat

You've said that before and you're still wrong.  The Ki-67 entered service with the IJA in April, 1944 and entered service with the IJN in October of 1944.  That is how I understand it.  It is as much a 1944 design as the P-51D is.

why can't axis get a perk bomber ride
could it be allied conspiracy?

Ar234.....

[Imowface]

why can't axis get a perk bomber ride
could it be allied conspiracy?

ar234,  the section in your brain that thinks before it posts probably looks like this >

[Perrine]

I know someday we're gonna get an allied b29 with n00ks, to maintain parity the axis should also get a special G4M with cherrybomb

[Greebo]

The main difference on the G4M2 was the more powerful Kasei Model 21 engines with water methanol injection, these developed 1850hp each on takeoff instead of 1540hp. Even with these the G4M2 Betty struggled to carry the Ohka suicide bomb, which weighed over 4,700lb. Of this weight the warhead was only 2,646lb. It takes 8K or ord to take out a carrier in AH, but that's less than 8K of explosive content (bomb casings etc.) Even so, in AH terms you would probably need three Ohkas to take out a carrier. You'd do better with any late war US jabo or buffs in terms of time/damage.

I think the Betty will make a reasonable substitute in scenarios for other early war bombers like the SM 79 or the Il-4. Although it has that 20mm tail gun, that's offset by its flammability. If a special event organiser wants to use it that way, I can produce an appropriate skin for it.

[Wmaker]

They continued to develop the G4M1-11 until 1945 with various modifications, though I don't know in what capacity. When Yamamoto was shot down, it was in a G4M1-11, as well! That brings up an idea for a scenario!

According to Francillon, The Betty Yamamoto was shot down in was a Model 12.

The Model 12 which was usually designated just "G4M1" and was an upgrade to the intial production model ie. the G4M1-11 HTC is implementing.