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Offline FiLtH

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Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« on: October 19, 2010, 12:40:27 PM »
     I can't wait for the first missed tackle because a guy let up that goes for a touch down. They get paid for the risk. Lose the risk, lose the reward I say...and they can make what the rest of us make in our jobs.

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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2010, 12:53:17 PM »
Kind of find it funny that running backs lower their head all the time but never will see that called. Head hunting i agree with and should be flagged and fined. But sometimes when you go to hit some one if the offensive guy ducks into it you get helmet to helmet and a defensive penalty.

The D. Robinson hit on Jackson was a legal hit. Jackson caught the damn ball, you really want to give the guy a chance to get his feet on the ground and make a move before you can hit him? League is only going to get softer. You could always just go for the legs, end his career. Had a neighbor that played and when they started to crack down on the "spearing", he said "some times it's just going to happen, you line up a hit and the guy try's to make a move or put his shoulder down and you hit heads."
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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2010, 12:59:44 PM »
Kind of find it funny that running backs lower their head all the time but never will see that called. Head hunting i agree with and should be flagged and fined. But sometimes when you go to hit some one if the offensive guy ducks into it you get helmet to helmet and a defensive penalty.

The D. Robinson hit on Jackson was a legal hit. Jackson caught the damn ball, you really want to give the guy a chance to hit to get his feet on the ground and make a move before you can hit him? League is only going to get softer.
Agreed.  Wonder when they're gonna start wearing those big blow-up sumo suits.
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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 01:06:14 PM »
Agree.   It's giving me less of a reason to watch the NFL Games. 
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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 01:10:05 PM »
Must have NASCAR officials making rules for the NFL now...  :headscratch:
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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 01:10:31 PM »
I think it is more aimed at folks like Brandon Meriweather. What he did was an obvious attempt at causing injury. He should be suspended.


The game is going to have hits and accidents. Any time bodies are moving in opposite directions and make contact it can be bone shattering.

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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 01:16:51 PM »
I say let em play, the rules don't need changed.

Maybe even go back to leather helmets with no face masks. That would cut down on the head hunting.
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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 01:26:08 PM »
Agreed.  Wonder when they're gonna start wearing those big blow-up sumo suits.

LMAO, i was thinking the same earlier

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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 01:38:13 PM »
Just my thoughts here... sorry if I offend anybody but......

Over the many decades I have been following Football I have seen many changes. Each time the rules are tightened to avoid injury .. at least that is what the Officials have been saying. IN reality most of the changes have actually been to increase scoring potential because Football until the "Sissy Boy contact rulez" that started coming about in the 70's used to be all about Ball Control on the ground. But IMHO that is ok cause up to then we were'nt listening to powerwhiners on TV bemoan the trials and tribulations of Professional Sports.

Now in our world of "No Risk, No Hazard Allowed" everybody is suffering from a severe case of PB (Panty Bunch) at the thought of actually getting hurt. Not be ignore the serious injuries that have been and can ocurr on the field but hey... we all make our "Choices". Pretty soon we will be watching Balloon Pad Clad Gladiators in Tutu's sporting Nerf Helmets for the fear of getting hurt.

OK.. what about the guys that work under the laod of a Crane holding 100k+ lbs for like $30 an hour? How about the Cops making the arrest of some Whackjob Junky for like $70k a year where each encounter with a Citizen could be the last thing they do in their life. Just a few examples of how the rest of us live and make our choices.

So I dont care to hear about proffessional atheletes that make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and only play < 20 min Leage Game a year. Or those that are near or at the top end where their earnings are in the millions or tens of millions per year. I really dont care to hear the whining or hand wringing about the risk. Hey lets get real, you made your choice... you take your chances.

OK that's it from that perspectice.. now from a different one.

How about this for something to think about. The more safe we make the game the more aggressive the players can get because hey, there is no more risk. They can go freakin crazy on the field cause hey.. no more risk..other than that slight bit where if you go over the edge and actually do get hurt you prolly are either dead or very near it.

OK... now got my Flametard coat on cause I am sure many will smak me for being cruel and heartless and insensitive about the plight of the Professional Athelete.

If ya look real hard in the corner of my eye ya might see a teeny tiny tear for em... I used to be one of the guys working under the crane for like $20k a year..... I have no sympathy for yas..


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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 01:47:29 PM »
Pretty soon we will be watching Balloon Pad Clad Gladiators in Tutu's sporting Nerf Helmets for the fear of getting hurt....




and they won't be Japanese.




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Contact between players has and always will happen.  Head to head should be treated like roughing the passer or the kicker.  The players are well compensated for the risks they put themselves into.
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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 02:00:23 PM »
Note that as these big hits (and all the ESPN "jacked up" and even the NFL's own highlights on its web sites glorifying them) have become more en vogue, tackling itself has become much worse. Guys go for the highlight reel hit instead of making sure they tackle the guy. Defense might actually improve if they start enforcing this and get the media to stop glorifying it.

Also note how the hitters are getting hurt almost as often as the guys they are hitting.

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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 02:05:12 PM »
One of the analysts on ESPN this morning made an interesting observation.  Since when a player sees he's going to hit one of things they try to do is get low to make them harder to bring down, the analyst was speculating that the defenders are going to have to lower their heads even more which could lead to taking hits to the top of the head which apparently has a higher chance of causing spinal and other serious injuries.  
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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 02:09:22 PM »
football is inheritly a rough sport to start with. next thing you know it will be 2 hand touch or flag football with spongie ground

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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 02:44:52 PM »
I played football all through high school and then 3 years of college (Div.III). I was a 5'9", 185 corner, that, on a regular basis, got his brains knocked out. Not only by 300lb. pulling guards and fullbacks that weighed in at 250, but by halfbacks and tight ends that weighed just as much as I did.

I did it because I loved the game, not because I had any shots at getting paid for it.

These guys that are playing in the MFL (the Mutha....errr...wait...NFL), are the biggest, fastest, and hardest hitting guys in just about any sport. Yea, we got big guys in hockey and rugby and Aussie rules football, etc., but for the most part, these guys are just plain BIG.

Despite that size and strength, there's still a limit to what any human being can take. These guys make the conscience decision to go and play pro ball. With the big-dollar contracts comes the risk of getting hurt, sometimes seriously. Pay me the league minimum for a rookie ($310K for 2010) and I'll go out there and hit anything that moves. That's 6 years' worth of my regular pay.

I look at these huge contracts, I look at ticket prices, and I understand that its just a business. Players, for the most part, are idiots. If you made tens of millions of dollars over a 5-10 year pro football career, would you be smart and prepare knowing that you've got a career expectancy of less than 10 years? Would you invest? Or would you buy a huge house and dozens of cars, knowing full well that after you retire (or have a career-ending injury) that you won't be able to sustain it?

Concussions, head-hunting, and cheap hits are always going to be a part of the game. In some instances, its deliberate, in others, it happens simply because of the way two players come together. This is where instant replay should play a bigger role, in determining the circumstances of the hit. The game has slowed down enough now (along with network replays and TV timeouts) that there's no reason for the upstairs official to look at a play and determine if it was intentional or accidental.

I watched a game last week, a lineman came through the line, was held, spun around (he had his back to the QB at this point), and was blocked into the QB. The lineman's hand hit the QB on the helmet, bang, 15-yard penalty. The lineman never even knew he hit the QB's helmet (who lowered his head and moved to the side to avoid the contact). This is perfect example of how the rules have gotten out of hand (no pun intended).

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Re: Thoughts on NFL hit issue
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2010, 03:35:04 PM »
If they cant hit hard anymore whats the point of having a good defense at all? The NFL is already moving toward the "Who ever can put up the most points" game anyway.

edit:sounded dumb after reading that, I meant most of those good teams the past years, Colts,Steelers, Patriots could almost always count on their offense to put up high score 21-28 plus
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