Bf109F4

[dirtdart]

The experten..... hmmmmm sounds like a wanna be S.A.P.P.  I guess I will have to wait for the avatars....

Hey, I like the F4 the way it is too.  If the F4 which we used was rated for a higher HP, then that should be addressed by altering the the eny or FM.  

Be careful what you wish for......  

[Messiah]

There are 3 109 experten in this thread.

[milesobrian]

The 109F-4 and the 109G-2 are my two favorite 109s in the game. While I like how the K-4s fly, I can't hit anything with the big gun. All 109s in the game have wep. So they are like late war up dates anyway and are fine as they are.

umm wether or not they have wep dosent mean they are late war or anything....the f4 has wep but its top speed it it exactly 394 mph....same as what wiki and the source it was taken from says was the max speed of the early f4s are.  and looking at the numbers for the g2 and 6 it would seem that they are also the early variant regardless of wep....

[milesobrian]

You said this in your original post.

Your use of "other" was confusing. It seemed like you meant to say aircraft similar to the 109F. It's like your use of "more fools" to refer to a single person. When you don't write clearly you can hardly complain if you are misunderstood.

If you'd like some help with the Bf109F-4 come see me in the Training arena.

LOW ENY PLANES....the planes with the low eny are the LATE WAR planes get it??

[milesobrian]

The experten..... hmmmmm sounds like a wanna be S.A.P.P.  I guess I will have to wait for the avatars....

Hey, I like the F4 the way it is too.  If the F4 which we used was rated for a higher HP, then that should be addressed by altering the the eny or FM.  

Be careful what you wish for......  

duh....i dont care about the numbers...i care about how the plane performs....when a plane gets better i would expect the eny to get lower...

[LLogann]

Totally, 100% wrong..... The RV8 is ENY 40

duh....i dont care about the numbers...i care about how the plane performs....when a plane gets better i would expect the eny to get lower...

You're asking a Trainer, if he gets it?  (MUST    NOT    LAUGH)

LOW ENY PLANES....the planes with the low eny are the LATE WAR planes get it??

What's your ingame name brotha?

[dirtdart]

From Ebert/Kaiser/Peters Willy Messerschmitt book:

109F4 from E series:

- New wing layout with rounded tips
- New cowling with blended spinner
- Aerodynamically improved radiator housing
- Absence of elevator bracing
- More armor
- More gas
- Moved guns to fuse.

As far as the engine, preproduction models were DB601A and E, but main series used DB601N rated at 1,175HP.

Experten note:  Ah...so another small elite community I was unaware of, thought Ack-ack was just pulling his chain about the wiki reference....

[FLS]

LOW ENY PLANES....the planes with the low eny are the LATE WAR planes get it??

Your statement was that you wanted an early war aircraft to get a competitive edge over late war low eny aircraft by increasing it's thrust slightly. Since that makes no sense I had to guess what you meant. I'll assume that what you meant to say was that you wanted to decrease the disadvantage of the Bf109f-4 while retaining it's high eny rating.

Now that I know you better I'm sure we'll have fewer misunderstandings. 

[pervert]

The experten..... hmmmmm sounds like a wanna be S.A.P.P.  I guess I will have to wait for the avatars....

Hey, I like the F4 the way it is too.  If the F4 which we used was rated for a higher HP, then that should be addressed by altering the the eny or FM.  

Be careful what you wish for......  

Their are avatars but they are invisable to the untrained eye.....

[milesobrian]

Your statement was that you wanted an early war aircraft to get a competitive edge over late war low eny aircraft by increasing it's thrust slightly. Since that makes no sense I had to guess what you meant. I'll assume that what you meant to say was that you wanted to decrease the disadvantage of the Bf109f-4 while retaining it's high eny rating.

Now that I know you better I'm sure we'll have fewer misunderstandings. 

26 mph faster at alt (394 to 420) is not a slight thrust increase...

[Karnak]

Fly a Bf109G-14 or Bf109K-4 in the LWA.  The Bf109F-4 needs to be a 1941 version to match settings for 1941.  Just because you feel like everything should be balanced as though it is being used in 1945, such is not the case in AH.

Deal with it.

[milesobrian]

Fly a Bf109G-14 or Bf109K-4 in the LWA.  The Bf109F-4 needs to be a 1941 version to match settings for 1941.  Just because you feel like everything should be balanced as though it is being used in 1945, such is not the case in AH.

Deal with it.

im talking it should be balanced according to what was historically accurate....if a 109f4 is flying with g6 and g14 then it probably would have been the one with the uprated engine....

obviously for the ew mw it can stay as it is, but it dosent make any sense for a 109f4 to be flying around with p51 and la7 with an underrated engine.

[Karnak]

im talking it should be balanced according to what was historically accurate....if a 109f4 is flying with g6 and g14 then it probably would have been the one with the uprated engine....

obviously for the ew mw it can stay as it is, but it dosent make any sense for a 109f4 to be flying around with p51 and la7 with an underrated engine.

You are misunderstanding how the game works.  The only reason you are allowed to fly a Bf109F-4 or P-40B in the LWA is to let people have a challenge against superior aircraft if they want.  You aren't going to get a Spitfire Mk Ia for the 1940 settings and a Spitfire Mk Ib so that it can have cannons and be more effective in 1945 settings.

When the EWA, MWA and LWA were originally created you couldn't fly most early war aircraft in the LWA.  They simply weren't enabled.  People complained, saying they wanted to be able to do so and that it wouldn't be a balance problem and HTC relented.

You also aren't going to get a 420mph Bf109F-4 in the EWA or scenarios.

HTC is also not going to make different versions of the Bf109F-4.

[milesobrian]

You are misunderstanding how the game works.  The only reason you are allowed to fly a Bf109F-4 or P-40B in the LWA is to let people have a challenge against superior aircraft if they want.  You aren't going to get a Spitfire Mk Ia for the 1940 settings and a Spitfire Mk Ib so that it can have cannons and be more effective in 1945 settings.

When the EWA, MWA and LWA were originally created you couldn't fly most early war aircraft in the LWA.  They simply weren't enabled.  People complained, saying they wanted to be able to do so and that it wouldn't be a balance problem and HTC relented.

You also aren't going to get a 420mph Bf109F-4 in the EWA or scenarios.

HTC is also not going to make different versions of the Bf109F-4.

i dont play scenarios and ewa nor would i expect an early war variant of the f4 to have a mid war engine...remember historical accuracy....

so tell me what changes will the company have to make to get the 109f4 up to its middle war standard...I dont know if their were any physical changes, so the only thing that will have to be changes is possibly the engine statistics

[Karnak]

They won't do it.  They will keep it consistent so that when a player grabs a Bf109F-4 they know what they are getting.

The Spitfire Mk XVI in AH is actually a Spitfire LF.Mk IXe, but because we already have a Spitfire F.Mk IX that is called a Spitfire Mk IX the new, 1944 version was labeled as the Mk XVI, which was almost, but not the quite, identical.  The Mk XVI had a FTH about 1000ft higher than the LF.Mk IX.

You might be able to convince HTC to add a Bf109F-6 or such, if it existed, but you won't get two Bf109F-4s.