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Offline Jayhawk

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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #210 on: November 03, 2010, 09:15:27 AM »
I just don't see what you're seeing Fugitive.  I think the "abuse" is done very rarely and by a minority of players.  Maybe it just comes down to how you think the game should be played.  Do you think I'm avoiding combat because I take a Mossie XVI up to 30k and bomb a field?  Well I'm definitely avoiding fighters, but that's just smart.  Combat isn't just fighter aircraft going one vs. one, the MA is much more than that.

Serious question here: Do you think the 91st Bomb Group is 'fighting' when we take 6 sets of 17s to a field and level it?

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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #211 on: November 03, 2010, 09:24:13 AM »
Advice: Run AWAY from the circle jerk.  Not towards it  :eek:
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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #212 on: November 03, 2010, 09:40:46 AM »
Since my PC died last week & now I see how the vote is being done I have voted for :headscratch: Well no one since I can't play :frown:
Well back in the swing now. HE-111 got my vote. :aok

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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #213 on: November 03, 2010, 10:46:21 AM »
Advice: Run AWAY from the circle jerk.  Not towards it  :eek:

Leave my ankle alone.  As usual, your opinion is none of my concern. bu' bye.
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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #214 on: November 03, 2010, 10:58:47 AM »
who you get to buddy up with you is not my concern.  I'm just trying to do my bit for returning to sanity, or fear  :cheers:
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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #215 on: November 03, 2010, 11:04:03 AM »
I love how you guys deal in absolutes. Yes there will be many that will use the bombers as intrented. These are the ones that will generate the "combat" we seek, however the majority of players will abuse them and use them to cut corners to win the war as quick as possible. Why do you think we have the new spread out towns? It's not because the art team needed something to do, it to slow the base destruction down creating a bigger window for combat. Todays player doesn't want to fight for the win, they just want the win.

Sorry Lusche, maybe I have my timings wrong. Perhaps it was 7-9 years ago, but the game was surly more about fighting. We didn't have any LCA type squad groups, but ever establish squad had their nemesis. There was always that one squad that had their squad night on the same night just to foil your plans. Today squads avoid each other.

your bomber paranoia is very entertaining.

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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #216 on: November 03, 2010, 11:24:41 AM »
Fugitive,

were you here before the AW migration.  Things were vastly different then, but of course we had little to nothing else to fight with back then.   Just A2A fighter stuff.

For me this game hasn't changed much (regarding gameplay) since about 2003.
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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #217 on: November 03, 2010, 11:29:22 AM »
Jayhawk, I don't think I've run into your group, but from what I've read on the boards my guess would be that you guys run at mid to high alt, level bomb and work to rtb as many as your planes as possible. If this is true, then you are using the planes as intended, you are creating the opertunity for combat due to the time you must take to set you approach routes for your runs as well as your exit routes to rtb.

I must be flying at the wrong times I guess. I fly Saturday afternoon into the evening most weekends. I am sure that in that time I will see one GV battle attacked by a dive bombing hvy buff. I will see at least 3 people bail from perfectly good bombers. I will see a half dozen bombers not bother to grab any alt and hold to luck to get their bombs off before they are killed.

Maybe the week day players are a better class, but I know I'll see the above pretty much every weekend without fail. I know it sounds like I like to whine about this stuff, but it what I see, and when I put those pieces together and compare them with "the old days" I see a very definite decline in the game play, and so the whine.

Maybe I'm seeing things wrong, but why was the radar changed? Maybe because too many people were avoiding fights? I'm just saying. 

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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #218 on: November 03, 2010, 11:36:09 AM »
Well back in the swing now. HE-111 got my vote. :aok
:aok me too. Have to log back in this week to vote though.

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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #219 on: November 03, 2010, 11:48:35 AM »
Jayhawk, I don't think I've run into your group, but from what I've read on the boards my guess would be that you guys run at mid to high alt, level bomb and work to rtb as many as your planes as possible. If this is true, then you are using the planes as intended, you are creating the opertunity for combat due to the time you must take to set you approach routes for your runs as well as your exit routes to rtb.

I must be flying at the wrong times I guess. I fly Saturday afternoon into the evening most weekends. I am sure that in that time I will see one GV battle attacked by a dive bombing hvy buff. I will see at least 3 people bail from perfectly good bombers. I will see a half dozen bombers not bother to grab any alt and hold to luck to get their bombs off before they are killed.

Maybe the week day players are a better class, but I know I'll see the above pretty much every weekend without fail. I know it sounds like I like to whine about this stuff, but it what I see, and when I put those pieces together and compare them with "the old days" I see a very definite decline in the game play, and so the whine.

Maybe I'm seeing things wrong, but why was the radar changed? Maybe because too many people were avoiding fights? I'm just saying. 

I generally stay away from the GV fights so maybe dive-bombing bombers are more prevalent there.

I invite you to come fly a mission with us sometime, pick up a B-17 or fly escort for us and just see how we do it.  Saturday evenings are our squad nights, 9:00PM Eastern or 8:00 Central, Bish vox 191.
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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #220 on: November 03, 2010, 12:08:21 PM »
I must be flying at the wrong times I guess. I fly Saturday afternoon into the evening most weekends. I am sure that in that time I will see one GV battle attacked by a dive bombing hvy buff. I will see at least 3 people bail from perfectly good bombers. I will see a half dozen bombers not bother to grab any alt and hold to luck to get their bombs off before they are killed.

I'm wondering if this might be a GV fight-centric phenomenon.  I fly weekday evenings mostly, and when I can Saturday/Sunday.  I don't generally seek out GV fights to fly over, but sometimes I wind up there.  I'm usually more in the middle of the current furball/half-hearted base capture attempt.  I see a fair number of low or low-ish bombers, but usually they're 10k and up.  I rarely see a bomb and bail, and very occasionally see a Lancstuka.

Might it partly be that you're counting the hits and ignoring the misses?  Do you really see 3 guys bail out absolutely every time you fly?  Not calling you a liar, just wondering maybe if there's a bit of a confirmation bias going on, you're looking for it, therefore you notice it, y'know?

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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #221 on: November 03, 2010, 12:12:08 PM »
Good enough for the B-38.  :noid :D

Try again, better luck next time though.


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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #222 on: November 03, 2010, 05:02:51 PM »
Try again, better luck next time though.


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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #223 on: November 03, 2010, 05:13:47 PM »
I generally stay away from the GV fights so maybe dive-bombing bombers are more prevalent there.

I invite you to come fly a mission with us sometime, pick up a B-17 or fly escort for us and just see how we do it.  Saturday evenings are our squad nights, 9:00PM Eastern or 8:00 Central, Bish vox 191.


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Re: Who didn't vote for B29
« Reply #224 on: November 03, 2010, 05:18:57 PM »
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