SUPERSHIPS!!!

[JHerne]

If we put battleships into CV task groups, then inevitably the CV dies. However, if we use pre-war design 'slow battleships' as a fire-support or battlegroup, then the CV group can out-run the BB group, which would give it at least a modicum of survivability.

This has some merit, especially since its extremely rare to see players scout ahead of their own CV group.

J

[LLogann]

 

If we put battleships into CV task groups, then inevitably the CV dies. However, if we use pre-war design 'slow battleships' as a fire-support or battlegroup, then the CV group can out-run the BB group, which would give it at least a modicum of survivability.

This has some merit, especially since its extremely rare to see players scout ahead of their own CV group.

J

[Eric122]

GIMME MY SHOWBOAT!!!!!!!!!


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HECK YESS BB55!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crythos]

"In 1939 the US Navy had 15 battleships, 5 aircraft carriers, 18 heavy cruisers and 19 light cruisers."

Royal Navy Warship Strength

The Royal Navy, still the largest in the world in September 1939, included:

15 Battleships & battlecruisers, of which only two were post-World War 1. Five 'King George V' class battleships were building.

7 Aircraft carriers. One was new and five of the planned six fleet carriers were under construction. There were no escort carriers.

66 Cruisers, mainly post-World War 1 with some older ships converted for AA duties. Including cruiser-minelayers, 23 new ones had been laid down.

184 Destroyers of all types. Over half were modern, with 15 of the old 'V' and 'W' classes modified as escorts. Under construction or on order were 32 fleet destroyers and 20 escort types of the 'Hunt' class.

60 Submarines, mainly modern with nine building.

45 escort and patrol vessels with nine building, and the first 56 'Flower' class corvettes on order to add to the converted 'V' and 'W's' and 'Hunts'. However, there were few fast, long-endurance convoy escorts.

Hehe I know the RN today is pretty pitifull for what its expected to do but when considering the addition of WWII ships the focus on US naval vessels although understandable from our playerbase is never the less, historically inaccurate.

German navy although apart from the U Boats effectively penned in for most of the war also had better battleships the the RN or US navys.

Not trying to start any sort of mines bigger than yours thing but as alot of us it seems would like to see an expansion to the current in game fleet and operations would be a shame to see the same bias we have with the planeset.

[Muzzy]

How hard would it be to "skin" or redesign the existing CV's to show a bit more variety?  The main problem I see is the armament, which was vastly different from one navy to the next.  I'm tired of looking at Essex hulls though.

[Eric122]

If you're going to have BBs for base-taking, fire-support roles, then any of the pre-war BB designs will work...

New York Class (2 ships, Texas and NY) both were actively used in amphibious support roles in WW2.
Oklahoma Class (2 ship) but only gives you Nevada.
Pennsylvania Class (2 ship) but only give you Pennsy, as AZ was her sister.
New Mexico Class (3 ships, NM,MS,ID) all saw extensive service in amphibious support roles in WW2.
Tennesee Class (2 ships, TN and CA), " " "
Colorado Class (3 ships, CO, MD, WV), " " " there was a 4th in the class, WA, cancelled by Washington Treaty of 1922.   The north carolina can keep up. It was built on a statement in the treaty that if the Japanese were suspected of building large ships they could use 16 inch guns

Anything from here on, NC Class (2), SoDak (4), and Iowa (4), are all fast BBs.

The big question is - do you want a BB that can keep pace with CVs? None of the pre-war BBs could manage 23 knots, where as the Treaty BBs could do 27 knots and the Iowas were rated at 33 knots. So, in theory, the only ship that could keep pace with the CVs would be the Iowas, or if you're willing to compromise, a 31-knot Alaska-Class CB.

[JHerne]

The north carolina can keep up. It was built on a statement in the treaty that if the Japanese were suspected of building large ships they could use 16 inch guns

North Carolina cannot keep up. Her top rated speed at trials was 28 knots.

Our CVs in game average what, 32 knots? This way we don't have to turn them into the wind to launch aircraft...so explain how a 28-knot battleship can keep pace with a 32 knot carrier UNLESS we either speed up the battleship to an unrealistic speed, or slow the carrier down?

I'm not talking historically...I'm talking in-game.

[Imowface]

slow everything down to historic speed, then add 10mph of wind on deck up to 500ft   

[JHerne]

Which would work, but how would we negate the wind once we're off the carrier? Some sort of vortex around the ship?

I'm asking seriously, not being sarcastic.

[352fg]

Personally, I agree! It would be awesome if you could have battleships and battlecruisers like the HMS Hood, and battleships like the USS Massachusetts and the USS New Jersey.

[Imowface]

Which would work, but how would we negate the wind once we're off the carrier? Some sort of vortex around the ship?

I'm asking seriously, not being sarcastic.

I would say just have 10k of wind under 500ft throughout the whole MA

[Muzzy]

The north carolina can keep up. It was built on a statement in the treaty that if the Japanese were suspected of building large ships they could use 16 inch guns

North Carolina cannot keep up. Her top rated speed at trials was 28 knots.

Our CVs in game average what, 32 knots? This way we don't have to turn them into the wind to launch aircraft...so explain how a 28-knot battleship can keep pace with a 32 knot carrier UNLESS we either speed up the battleship to an unrealistic speed, or slow the carrier down?

I'm not talking historically...I'm talking in-game.

And yet despite her slower speed both North Carolina class BB's spent most of their time operating with the Fast Carrier Task Force.  I'm not sure how this was accomplished given that the carriers all had at least 32knots maximum speed. 

[fullmetalbullet]

Correct me if im wrong but didnt battleships become a second line ship after the carrier in the USN? and i think there were very few battleship on battleship fights in WW2. and the last one was during the battle for the philippines. after that all the glory went to the carriers. well even before that. the japanese saw the effectivness of the carrier back in the 20s and 30s, and put the carrier at the head of its fleets battle groups. but yes they did have battleships in the carrier battlegroups. i would like to see it as one of the defencive screen ships in the CV groups though.

[fullmetalbullet]

And yet despite her slower speed both North Carolina class BB's spent most of their time operating with the Fast Carrier Task Force.  I'm not sure how this was accomplished given that the carriers all had at least 32knots maximum speed.  

the north carolina class could manage about 30 to 31 knots. it was on one hand build to protect the essex class carriers, and on the other it was built to dominate any other battleships that were produced. including the yamato.

also, its 16 inch shells could do more damage then the japanese 19 inch shells fired by their guns.

[SDGhalo]

"In 1939 the US Navy had 15 battleships, 5 aircraft carriers, 18 heavy cruisers and 19 light cruisers."

Royal Navy Warship Strength

The Royal Navy, still the largest in the world in September 1939, included:

15 Battleships & battlecruisers, of which only two were post-World War 1. Five 'King George V' class battleships were building.

7 Aircraft carriers. One was new and five of the planned six fleet carriers were under construction. There were no escort carriers.

66 Cruisers, mainly post-World War 1 with some older ships converted for AA duties. Including cruiser-minelayers, 23 new ones had been laid down.

184 Destroyers of all types. Over half were modern, with 15 of the old 'V' and 'W' classes modified as escorts. Under construction or on order were 32 fleet destroyers and 20 escort types of the 'Hunt' class.

60 Submarines, mainly modern with nine building.

45 escort and patrol vessels with nine building, and the first 56 'Flower' class corvettes on order to add to the converted 'V' and 'W's' and 'Hunts'. However, there were few fast, long-endurance convoy escorts.

Hehe I know the RN today is pretty pitifull for what its expected to do but when considering the addition of WWII ships the focus on US naval vessels although understandable from our playerbase is never the less, historically inaccurate.

German navy although apart from the U Boats effectively penned in for most of the war also had better battleships the the RN or US navys.

Not trying to start any sort of mines bigger than yours thing but as alot of us it seems would like to see an expansion to the current in game fleet and operations would be a shame to see the same bias we have with the planeset.

doesthis include the RCN because through out the war they were concidered there own navy and by wars end they were the third largets in the allied and in total.


Escort carrier (2)
Corvettes (128)
Minesweepers (94)
Frigates (71)
Destroyers (33)
MS Trawlers (7)
Armed Yachts (5)
Armed Merchant Cruisers (3)
Light Cruisers (2)

maybe we should also add to the game Escort CV Groups