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Offline Seadog36

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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2010, 05:05:25 PM »

cough cough photoshop 

I actually clipped it right out of the player stats with paint~ It's there for anyone to look up, but that IS funny. I would not be that modest if I was going to inflate the numbers with photoshop :rofl To be fair to you, I think I remember that fight. You were low slow and very very damaged, turning with someone that stalled out or was bingo. I just finished you off.



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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2010, 05:54:32 PM »
to be honest i fly both planes, i kill just as much in a 38 as i do a 47, actually more kills in the 38's, so when you said    " P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot." quote by AKAK ...  that's absurd





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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2010, 06:15:39 PM »
My god you people take Ak Ak way too seriously...he is simply employing his brand of troll/comedy. It's all said in fun.
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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2010, 06:16:00 PM »
Are you stepping up to the plate?

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what plate am i stepping up to the BS plate? like i said your statement is absurd, according to you anyone that flys a 47 isnt skilled enough to fly a P38, wow guess i better not fly the 38 then sense its to hard to fly  :rolleyes:  troll on
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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2010, 06:22:34 PM »
what plate am i stepping up to the BS plate? like i said your statement is absurd, according to you anyone that flys a 47 isnt skilled enough to fly a P38, wow guess i better not fly the 38 then sense its to hard to fly  :rolleyes:  troll on


My god you people take Ak Ak way too seriously...he is simply employing his brand of troll/comedy. It's all said in fun.


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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2010, 06:25:10 PM »
In this game P38 and P47 two planes with entirely different attributes.  

During WWII the Jug early war was used as an escort. Later also.
In the PAC the 47N was the long range escort.

Contrary to popular belief very few fights took place at 100 feet swirling and twirling.

In Europe most were high alt escort runs.  The Jug performs better at high alt then the P38.

Choice of combat would go to the P47 at 23K or higher.  The P38 just doesn't have enough HP.
The P47 was just flat out faster then the 38 at mid20K or above.  So in real combat, where
the smart pilot would use what his aircraft does best against any other aircraft, this case the 38.
The 38 would only be a threat short term if higher....the P47 would just walk away. Or extend
and take pot shots at the 38 at will.  P38 could not do anything about it.

As Heinz Barr said when asked about the 38, we had no fear of them we were more concerned with the
51s and 47s which had greater speed.  We were especially envious of the P47s ruggedness. They were much
more difficult to bring down.

Robert Johnson would testify to that...so would Pipz Priller.
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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2010, 06:29:47 PM »
It seems that my earlier statement was ignored. Let me restate it.

My god you people take Ak Ak way too seriously...he is simply employing his brand of troll/comedy. It's all said in fun.
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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #67 on: November 03, 2010, 06:31:28 PM »
Brown Baron AKAK and I have known one another for years....this isn't new.  :D
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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #68 on: November 03, 2010, 06:38:04 PM »
J.U.G.S. was formed by JeepinAZ and had 19 actual members as well as a bunch of followers.  We flew every other Sunday for a few hours in the late afternoon.  The website I created for the group is still active http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/AH_JUGS/ and members can access all the files and pictures and movies.  Jeepin left AH after about a year of this and BLAMMO and I took the reins.

Another year or so elapsed b4 real life grabbed BLAMMO from us.  Overall a good run and we all learned a lot.

<S> to all those that flew with us:  WWhiskey, Redlegs, Stodd, Caz1, Bosco, DCannons, LilMak, LilDragon(SWkiljoy), Serenity, and the rest I can't remember.  Good time and lots of memories.


Oh yeah, I'm in.

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Offline Seadog36

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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #69 on: November 03, 2010, 06:59:28 PM »
In this game P38 and P47 two planes with entirely different attributes.  

During WWII the Jug early war was used as an escort. Later also.
In the PAC the 47N was the long range escort.

Contrary to popular belief very few fights took place at 100 feet swirling and twirling.

In Europe most were high alt escort runs.  The Jug performs better at high alt then the P38.

Choice of combat would go to the P47 at 23K or higher.  The P38 just doesn't have enough HP.
The P47 was just flat out faster then the 38 at mid20K or above.  So in real combat, where
the smart pilot would use what his aircraft does best against any other aircraft, this case the 38.
The 38 would only be a threat short term if higher....the P47 would just walk away. Or extend
and take pot shots at the 38 at will.  P38 could not do anything about it.

As Heinz Barr said when asked about the 38, we had no fear of them we were more concerned with the
51s and 47s which had greater speed.  We were especially envious of the P47s ruggedness. They were much
more difficult to bring down.

Robert Johnson would testify to that...so would Pipz Priller.

:aok +1   Johnson also testifies that the D-23 with the paddle prop would easily outclimb 109s and even left a Spit 9 hanging.

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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #70 on: November 03, 2010, 07:08:34 PM »
J.U.G.S. was formed by JeepinAZ and had 19 actual members as well as a bunch of followers.  We flew every other Sunday for a few hours in the late afternoon.  The website I created for the group is still active http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/AH_JUGS/ and members can access all the files and pictures and movies.  Jeepin left AH after about a year of this and BLAMMO and I took the reins.

Another year or so elapsed b4 real life grabbed BLAMMO from us.  Overall a good run and we all learned a lot.

<S> to all those that flew with us:  WWhiskey, Redlegs, Stodd, Caz1, Bosco, DCannons, LilMak, LilDragon(SWkiljoy), Serenity, and the rest I can't remember.  Good time and lots of memories.

Oh yeah, I'm in.


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Well it seems like we have the makings of a pretty good group now~ I joined JUGS (which I think is a pretty fitting name) Who is heading it up now Hajo? Can I propose a new JUGS meeting in the DA for a meet and greet on Thurs Nov. 11th before we venture out in the MA to whoop azz? Roll call...
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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #71 on: November 03, 2010, 07:16:10 PM »
:aok +1   Johnson also testifies that the D-23 with the paddle prop would easily outclimb 109s and even left a Spit 9 hanging.

Don't take Johnson's quote out of context, though. He said the Jug out-zoomed the Spit 9, but the P-47 was over taken by the Spitfire in a sustained climb.
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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #72 on: November 03, 2010, 07:26:34 PM »
For you Jug fans...pretty interesting conclusions from this comparison report on the P-47 against the FW 190 (type not specified), Spitfire Mk IX, Mustang X (experimental model to test the Merlin engine), P-38F and Typhoon Ib.  The P-47s used for this comparison were the P-47C (series not specificed) and the P-47D (series not specified).

Just a brief rundown on the conclusions.  For full details, click on the link at the end of the post to read the report.

Just a little backround on this report.  This is an addendum to "A.F.D.U (Air Fighting Development Unit) Report # 66" on the tactical trials of the P-47C, night flying trails and tactical trials against the FW 190.  This addendum are the results of that trial.  Again, I am just going to list the conclusions for this post.  Many will find it rather interesting.

Again, let me state that the P-47 used for this report was the P-47C and the P-47D (though the D might be a typo since all other trials were using the C).  While no specific version of the FW 190 is given, the report does list the weights used for the test.  The Spitfire is a "Mk IX", the P-38 is a "F", Typhoon is a "Ib" and the Mustang was the experimental prototype to test the Merlin 65 in the Mustang.

Nightflying trials:
The P-47 shows too much exhaust glow to be suitable as a night fighter

P-47D vs. FW 190
General:  
The FW 190 was flown by an experienced pilot of A.F.D.U, and the Thunderbolt by pilots of the U.S.A.A.F.  The FW 190 was loaded as a fighter to 8,300 lbs., and the Thunderbolt to 13,140 lbs.

Conclusion:
The Thunderbolt can only evade the FW 190 successfully by diving; it is out-classed in the climb and general manoeuvrability, with the possible exception of combats at ground level.

P-47 vs. Spitfire Mk IX
Performance:
The initial acceleration from level flight of the Spitfire IX is better than that of the P-47.  The maximum speeds at 20,000ft and 28,000ft. are approximately the same, but above 28,000ft the Spitfire Mk IX is slightly faster.  The rate of climb of the Spitfire Mk IX is much higher than the P-47 at all heights up to 30,000ft., being the maximum at which the P-47 is flown.  In zoom climb the performance of the P-47 is similiar to that of the Spitfire Mk IX over limited intervals.  The P-47 is able to out-dive the Spitfire quite easily.

Manoeuvrability:
In rate of roll there is little difference to choose between the two aircraft, but in turning circles the Spitfire is superior to the heavier P-47.  It was found that after four turns, the Spitfire IX could get on the tail of the P-47 and remain there.

P-47 vs. Typhoon IB
General:
As the Typhoon is a low altitude fighter, comparative trials were only carried out at heights up to 20,000ft.  Above this height the P-47 has a considerably better performance than the Typhoon.

Performance:
Initial acceleration from level flight was found to be approximately equal for the two aircraft.  The Typhoon was found to be faster at all heights up to 15,000ft.  Above this height it was found to be only slightly faster than the P-47 up to 22,000ft.  The Typhoon as a greater rate of climb up to 10,000ft, but between 10,000ft and 20,000ft., the P-47 has the advantage.  In full throttle dives both aircraft are equal.

Manoeuvrability:
The P-47 was considered far superior in rate of roll to the Typhoon and at 20,000ft., proved itself slightly better in turning circles.

P-47 vs. Mustang X
Performance:
At heights below 27,000ft., the Mustang X is considerably faster than the P-47.  At 27,000ft., the Mustang X is about 10mph faster and can accelerate away and maintain its lead fairly easily.  Trials were not carried out above 27,000ft.  The rate of climb of the Mustang is better than that of the P-47 at all heights up to 27,000ft.  The Mustang has better initial acceleration in a dive and can maintain this lead in full throttle dives.

Manoeuvrability:
The rate of roll of the P-47 is considerably better than that of the Mustang. In rate of turn the two aircraft are practically identical.

P-47 vs. P-38F
Performance:
The initial acceleration of the two aircraft was found to be identical.  At 20,000ft., the P-38F is 10-15mph faster than the P-47; at 24,000ft., the performance is approximately equal and above 25,000ft., the P-47 was superior about 10mph.  The P-38F has a far better rate of climb than the P-47 and a much steeper angle of climb.  In comparative dives there was nothing to choose between the two aircraft.

Manoeuvrability:
In turning circles the P-38F was slightly better, and was certainly able to turn so slowly in a climbing turn, especially to the right that the P-47 was unable to follow.  When 'bounced' by the P-47 the P-38F was able to turn very sharply and accelerate much more quickly than the P-47.

Here is the opinion formed by the RAF pilot that flew the P-47 during these trials.

A) "It is essentially a high altitude fighter, ideally suited for dive and zoom tactics."
B) "The aircraft is virtually a flying destroyer, having 4 - .5 machine guns in each wing."
C) "The P-47 is far superior to the Kittyhawk for interception of enemy bombers over 22,000ft."
D) "This aircraft is comparable with the P-38 (Lockheed Lightning) and is much easier to manoevre.  However, I would prefer the P-38 to the P-47"

Link to Report#66

Pretty interesting and you Jug fans will note that even the guy that flew the P-47 during these trials preferred the P-38 over the Thunderbolt.  :devil


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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2010, 08:03:22 PM »
i like them both anyway, each have roles that suit them, i love the 38 for helping bomb GV's it's much more nimble for that role, once the eggs and rockets are gone its a great fighter off the deck, great climb rate for sure,  It's to easy to get low and slow in a 47 doing the same role making you a real big target, so it's not the best for that role, now high alt bomber intercepts the 47 does a real good job for that,important part is keeping the 47 fast
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Re: P-47 flyers.
« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2010, 08:04:57 PM »
I was really impressed with the D11 on the deck with seafires and F4U's! Really freaks people out when I am staying with them!  :devil