Taters n Tails

[warhed]

 Ever since the tail got the extra parts to shoot off, landing a 30mm seems to only remove one piece at a time.  Is this a flaw?  Or feature?

[AWwrgwy]

Reality?



wrongway

[warhed]

Wasn't trying to come across as a whine or smart arsed.  Honest question, is it considered a bug or is it working as intended?

[warhed]

Reality?



wrongway

Before the stabs were split, a tater to the tail section would remove elevators and rudders and stabs.  After the split, only one ele/stab will be be destroyed.  Is the splash damage just being sucked up by the other parts, without causing failure?

[SunBat]

It is frustrating when that happens, but they usually get their just deserts, like this guy did.   

http://dasmuppets.com/public/Sunbatt/justice.ahf

[Charge]

Well, I once counted how many hits it took to take off the rudders from a Lanc and figured it was two 30mms per rudder and they never severed the whole vertical stab. Dunno if they even delivered damage to vert stab.

-C+

[sunfan1121]

I can see this happening on some tough planes with robust tail sections, but it even happens on the stubby I16.

[VonMessa]

Just to put it into perspective....



30mm Through a wing or fuselage without hitting any MAJOR structural components?

Perhaps...

Through an elevator?  Not nearly as likely to miss something important.

A 30mm HE round hitting one elevator and not affecting the other one or the rudder in some adverse way? 

Hard to believe...

[FLOTSOM]

well here is a funny thing,

the 13mm round is as big as the .50cal round...........so why is it so much less destructive than the .50 round????

whe i realized that it took a ton of them to cause any kind of damage to an enemy i always assumed it was because the 13mm was modeled as the equivalent to the .303.

so now that i see that my assumption was incorrect i am behooved to ask.........why doesnt the 13mm do the same level of damage as the .50cal round? is it something to do with the type of round fired, i.e. softer metal, poor quality? or is it the amount of powder used to propel the round? etc etc. does anyone know why?

before you tell me i dont know what i am talking about and all the other lame things that people will say instead of answering the questions asked, look at my stats. i fly the K4 on a constant basis, it has 2X13mm/300rounds each. i have stayed glued to the arse of a spit and ripped into it using up almost 150 rounds of 13mm before being forced to break away due to incoming enemy. the spit continued to fly and fight without any visible effects on its performance. this is not the first time i have seen this type of event, this event was just last night a few minutes before i signed out so it is only the most recent.

this is not a whine, this is an honest question. if there is an actual reason for the difference then i would like to know what it is. if there is not a reasonable explanation based on fact for the difference between the damage between the 13mm and the .50cal rounds then is this something that is intended to be rectified in the near future?

[Dichotomy]

got enough toolbars Von?

[themaj]

well here is a funny thing,

the 13mm round is as big as the .50cal round...........so why is it so much less destructive than the .50 round????

whe i realized that it took a ton of them to cause any kind of damage to an enemy i always assumed it was because the 13mm was modeled as the equivalent to the .303.

so now that i see that my assumption was incorrect i am behooved to ask.........why doesnt the 13mm do the same level of damage as the .50cal round? is it something to do with the type of round fired, i.e. softer metal, poor quality? or is it the amount of powder used to propel the round? etc etc. does anyone know why?

before you tell me i dont know what i am talking about and all the other lame things that people will say instead of answering the questions asked, look at my stats. i fly the K4 on a constant basis, it has 2X13mm/300rounds each. i have stayed glued to the arse of a spit and ripped into it using up almost 150 rounds of 13mm before being forced to break away due to incoming enemy. the spit continued to fly and fight without any visible effects on its performance. this is not the first time i have seen this type of event, this event was just last night a few minutes before i signed out so it is only the most recent.

this is not a whine, this is an honest question. if there is an actual reason for the difference then i would like to know what it is. if there is not a reasonable explanation based on fact for the difference between the damage between the 13mm and the .50cal rounds then is this something that is intended to be rectified in the near future?

Quick answer (guess)

Are you factoring in the amount of guns firing? When I am down to 2 guns with ammo left in a mustang, it also takes a lot of rounds to take someone out.

[VonMessa]

got enough toolbars Von?

I've got a big monitor. 

They don't dock all fancy-like as the SolidWorks ones do...   

[Wiley]

well here is a funny thing,

the 13mm round is as big as the .50cal round...........so why is it so much less destructive than the .50 round????

Well, ballpark quickie google search muzzle velocity appears to be in the 2400ish feet per second with a 500 and some grain projectile for the MG131's 13mm round.  .50 BMG is ballpark 2900 and change, with a 700 and some grain projectile.  That's an almost 25% increase in muzzle velocity and over 1/3 more projectile on the .50.

Since all of the destructive capability of these rounds is in their kinetic energy, the .50 is going to hit significantly harder because it is both significantly heavier and significantly faster.

Not that I'd want to stand in front of either one, but the .50 is a much better performing round.

Wiley.

[LLogann]

It's bigger actually........  The M2 is a 12.7mm round.

well here is a funny thing,

the 13mm round is as big as the .50cal round...........so why is it so much less destructive than the .50 round????

[FLOTSOM]

Well, ballpark quickie google search muzzle velocity appears to be in the 2400ish feet per second with a 500 and some grain projectile for the MG131's 13mm round.  .50 BMG is ballpark 2900 and change, with a 700 and some grain projectile.  That's an almost 25% increase in muzzle velocity and over 1/3 more projectile on the .50.

Since all of the destructive capability of these rounds is in their kinetic energy, the .50 is going to hit significantly harder because it is both significantly heavier and significantly faster.

Not that I'd want to stand in front of either one, but the .50 is a much better performing round.

Wiley.

well now it makes sense!

thanx for the input