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And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« on: November 05, 2010, 08:50:28 PM »
Be glad you never had to face them in real life or the whines would be deafening.


March 1945: Japanese night raiders are greeted with a lacework of antiaircraft fire by the U.S. Marine defenders of Yontan airfield, on Okinawa during World War II. In the foreground are Marine Corsair fighter planes of the "Hells Belles" squadron standing silhouetted against the sky. (AP Photo)



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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 09:01:53 PM »
long exposure!
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 09:26:17 PM »
Not very long I'd say.... there appears to be a searchlight (just aft of the fin on the right hand Corsair) and the burn-in on the reflected light in the smoke from it is minimal. Depending on film sensitivity and aperture (but presuming period standards) I'd expect something in the vicinity of 1 or 2 seconds.  Also btw, this is Yontan airfield on Okinawa not a fleet at sea.
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 09:41:16 PM »
I liked this picture better.


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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 10:18:33 PM »

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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2010, 11:48:47 PM »
We were short on Allison parts so we raided a nearby P-40 squadron. I'm sure they're used to it by now.
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2010, 11:53:34 PM »
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Bombed out P-40s from Pearl Harbor attack.

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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 12:55:09 AM »
No... But I do like how you approached it, and in fact your statement is why it isn't that short.  The fStop number is high enough to grab both sets of ID numbers, with 315 being the focus point and knowing the 2/3 rule regarding depth of field.   :aok

Not very long I'd say.... there appears to be a searchlight (just aft of the fin on the right hand Corsair) and the burn-in on the reflected light in the smoke from it is minimal. Depending on film sensitivity and aperture (but presuming period standards) I'd expect something in the vicinity of 1 or 2 seconds.  Also btw, this is Yontan airfield on Okinawa not a fleet at sea.

Long exposure or not, you must remember that each of those lines represents many many tracer rounds fired on path, not just one.  (in order to grab that exposure)  As such, even if that took place over 17 or 19 seconds, thousands and thousands of rounds may just have been fired from hundreds of guns.  

And who said this was a fleet at sea?
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 01:37:05 AM »
And who said this was a fleet at sea?

The title of the thread implies that it is a picture of CV ack.
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 02:03:49 AM »
long exposure!


Yep, I'm sure it wouldn't look much different in AH, if you'd be able to take picture like that.
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2010, 02:09:56 AM »
I think the real stuff looks nastier then AH :)

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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2010, 03:27:58 AM »
I like the caption for the second pic, Guppy  :D
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2010, 06:56:49 AM »
your statement is why it isn't that short.  The fStop number is high enough to grab both sets of ID numbers, with 315 being the focus point and knowing the 2/3 rule regarding depth of field.   :aok

Long exposure or not, you must remember that each of those lines represents many many tracer rounds fired on path, not just one.  (in order to grab that exposure)  As such, even if that took place over 17 or 19 seconds, thousands and thousands of rounds may just have been fired from hundreds of guns. 


Actually Llogan I'm thinking each of those lines represents a single tracer round; you can see the cone of fire in the slightly different angles, and it's unlikely the guns were static during firing. Also there are at least three near vertical short artifacts above a/c number 315, not sure what they are but the fact that they are all roughly parallel suggests hot debris falling under gravity. Whatever they are, they would have to be moving extremely slowly (or a very long way away) to leave such a short trail at anything like 17 or 19 seconds. And is that smoke in the lower left corner? If so it's been captured almost as if by flash (it may not be smoke, hurried processing can cause similar effects).

As for the depth of field, not an issue here. Even though typically a photographer will use the widest aperture available for 'long exposure' night work, and I believe this is the case here, depth of field at this distance to the subjects wouldn't be a factor with the standard camera/lens combinations likely to have been in use. I wouldn't be suprised if this was a half second exposure.... doubtful the photographer set up a tripod in the midst of that mayhem. More likely had the camera with him on the way to the shelter and thought he may as well try a hand-held of the firework display. I've won bets shooting blur free handheld at half a second, you pick up a few useful tricks as an RAAF photographer. Personally I'd have already been cowering under my camera case in the shelter  :O   
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2010, 07:59:45 AM »
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Re: And you guys think CV acks are bad in this game...
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2010, 08:53:31 AM »



That first shot is an amphibious group with what appears to be a New Orleans class cruiser in the middle, not even an AA-laden battlegroup, and the second was taken in early 1942, before 5"/38s and 40mm. Most likely 5"/25s and 1.1" guns.

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