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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 07:34:33 PM »
Saw that.

After the nice responses I got about the beer I sent to Dayton, I have been thinking about stepping things up a bit and geting my brewery license.

It a one-time inspection fee here in PA and the license is about $1200/year.  

Beer is recession proof.

That would be pretty cool Von!  God knows you are set up for it.  :cheers:
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2010, 09:45:05 PM »
Thank you for mentioning that.  I hadn't heard anything about it.  :aok

Think it's hosted by Dogfish Head brewing in Delaware.  Go there when I go down for Punkin Chunkin.  They make great beers.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2010, 09:45:51 PM »
That would be pretty cool Von!  God knows you are set up for it.  :cheers:

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 11:30:01 AM »
Messa, wow.  I was looking at beer sculptures too, but your home made suggestions are much better.  After we talked on vox a bit back I started making a starter, wonderful thing that is, thanks.  Who is your mail supplier?  I have a problem being in the middle of no-where?

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 12:12:41 PM »
Messa, wow.  I was looking at beer sculptures too, but your home made suggestions are much better.  After we talked on vox a bit back I started making a starter, wonderful thing that is, thanks.  Who is your mail supplier?  I have a problem being in the middle of no-where?

Awesome pics...

This is my local store  http://www.keystonehomebrew.com/

This website is awesome  http://www.homebrewtalk.com/

On the HomeBrewTalk site, you can sometimes find a "group buy" where a bunch of guys buy an entire pallet of grain and you have to meet at a Shipping company somewhere to pick up your share.  I haven't done it yet because I haven't finished my grain mill.  My neighbor has, though and said that it worked out to about ~ $0.50/lb.  :O

Buying ANYTHING pre-made is going to cost ya.  I made the single tier because I have a low ceiling and because having 15 gallons of boiling hot liquid in the air make me nervous.  It was worth the $100 I spent on the March pump (ebay).  I still batch sparge because I am too cheap to buy a second pump.  Eventually I am going to set-up my HLT for electric heat, make a HERMS/RIMS system and get one of these http://www.embeddedcontrolconcepts.com/ and network it to my home so I can start a mash while I am still at work   :rock

Beer automation  :x
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 12:29:23 PM »
Seriously though, I think the switch to all-grain is an easy one if you are even mildly handy with tools.

Before I had my pump and stand set-up, I still did all-grain, I just had to do the mash and sparge manually.

If you don't mind a little more time/work involved, all-grain can be done on a meager budget and I think it saves $ in the long run.  Buying the LME or DME or even a kit and you are paying for the convenience of someone having done the mashing process for ya.

You can get a 50lb bag of base malt (pale, pils, etc) and then a few pounds each of specialty malts and screw around with one gallon batches to test your concoctions until you are confident.

I use Beersmith and it works well for me.  Just thinking about the smell of grains mashing makes my mouth water.
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2010, 05:23:27 PM »
BTW Von,  finally got around to taste testing the Killimunati that to sent to Dayton,  delivered to WA state by our very own SGY,  Heavier than I am accustomed to, but very well made.

BTW, if you every have a hankering for something significantly stronger, just PM me, I have a small bottle with your name on it.

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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2010, 06:36:43 AM »
BTW Von,  finally got around to taste testing the Killimunati that to sent to Dayton,  delivered to WA state by our very own SGY,  Heavier than I am accustomed to, but very well made.

BTW, if you every have a hankering for something significantly stronger, just PM me, I have a small bottle with your name on it.

If it looks like water, shines like the full moon and kicks like a mule...

I'm in  :devil
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2010, 09:37:24 AM »
If you like Silver, this will do the job and then some.

My buddy and I started this project for 2 reasons, and it really wasn't to make booze. It was more of a science project per se and to make ethanol for fuel. We succeeded on the fuel aspect and ran a couple lawnmowers off it.

We have kept at it for the sole reason that I am anal about effiectiency and not wasting input energy. Over the past year we have managed to double the output, and halve the energy input. Granted I am a far cry from crossing the 1:1 input:output line. We are currently using a double boiler design to process the batches. 1st boiler knocks it to 100proof, 2nd takes it to 180. All the Nasty fusil oils are out of it then.

Our next design will incorporated a constant flow drip feed to the boiler with the cooling waste water being sent across the flame as it exits to prep the next batch. Since at the moment we are using straight sugar, we do not need the full boil time. Eventually I will be going to grain, but I will be setting up some semi automated equipment for malting and grinding. Technically the sugar is cheaper to process, but, since I raise cattle as well, the distillers grains are a better source of converted proteins than raw grain and create and more tender meat.

And just for the record, the permit with the ATF is being submitted.

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2010, 10:04:08 AM »
I played around with my last recipe, came out OK.  I was not aware that there was a program.  Cool links.

How about that beer the "brewmaster" guys put together.  I need to see about finding some of that. 
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2010, 10:06:44 AM »
Think it's hosted by Dogfish Head brewing in Delaware.  Go there when I go down for Punkin Chunkin.  They make great beers.


Correct.  As a long time dogfish drinker, (mmmmm 90 minute IPA   :cheers:) I'm looking forward to seeing the guts of the operation when it hits Discovery.  I just hope it doesn't completely go to their heads. (ha!)

My bro has a somewhat similar setup to yours Von, and I know he has considered scaling up production a bit.  I'm not sure exactly what is needed in NY state though in terms of permit.  Home growing hops is a good idea, and one I may pitch to add to his already pretty solid garden.   :aok

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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2010, 07:51:09 AM »
Correct.  As a long time dogfish drinker, (mmmmm 90 minute IPA   :cheers:) I'm looking forward to seeing the guts of the operation when it hits Discovery.  I just hope it doesn't completely go to their heads. (ha!)

My bro has a somewhat similar setup to yours Von, and I know he has considered scaling up production a bit.  I'm not sure exactly what is needed in NY state though in terms of permit.  Home growing hops is a good idea, and one I may pitch to add to his already pretty solid garden.   :aok

I'm not sure about the exact laws in NY, but I know that what one is limited to in PA for "personal consumption"  is more than any one person could possibly drink.

The only reason that I would get the brewery license would be if I wanted to start selling.  The only really big thing keeping me from that is bottling.

Bottling sucks.  Period.  Putting labels on even more so...

It was fun for Dayton because there was a purpose, but just to make money is not a good enough reason.

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2010, 08:50:58 AM »
Hey man, this weekend I am going to start on my mash tun.  I am going for a 10 gallon recipe so what 20 gallon coolerish?  Some pretty good links on you tube on how to make them.  Also, do you "vorloft", recirculate the mash back into itself, I think that is what it is called.  Thanks. 
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2010, 09:50:58 AM »
Anyone see this last episode where they dumped all the 120 min?  :O   :cry

That cedar beer sounds friggin awesome.

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2010, 10:42:58 AM »
I'm hoping to plant some Hops this next growing season. If I had room I'd grow barley too.

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