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Offline dirtdart

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Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« on: November 18, 2010, 08:50:34 AM »
Messa I hope you see this one....

I think I am past the carboy and want to go to a conical fermenter.  Will this piece of kit make a difference?  What would your first upgrade be going beyond stainless steel pots and carboy's.  I am now making consistenly good beer (I pay attention to snaitation and the fermentation conditions).  What next?  Keg system?  Mash? Laager cooled fermenter??  Really dont know. 

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 09:27:24 AM »
Messa I hope you see this one....

I think I am past the carboy and want to go to a conical fermenter.  Will this piece of kit make a difference?  What would your first upgrade be going beyond stainless steel pots and carboy's.  I am now making consistenly good beer (I pay attention to snaitation and the fermentation conditions).  What next?  Keg system?  Mash? Laager cooled fermenter??  Really dont know. 

Thoughts?

Not really sure how much value add a conical fermenter will have over a standard 5 gallon carboy. If you want to step it up a notch or two I'd really suggest moving on to mashing your own wort instead of using extracts, if you are not already.

Also, if you live in a climate that supports it, and if you have somewhat of a green thumb, you may want to look into growing your own hops. Nothing says good hop taste like fresh from the vine.

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 09:44:16 AM »
What size conical fermenter?  If over 10 Gallon then it will be very beneficial to go to mash instead of syrup.  Unless you REALLY enjoy cleaning and filling bottles, get a few kegs.

I had a freezer that I installed an externally mounted thermostat so that I could lager, it worked great till it died on me last year.  :cry

 
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 10:04:28 AM »
Man, growing Hops sounds great.  I think I will look into that for sure.

The mash thing intrigues me.  I just am intimidated by the process, mostly because I have not seen it done.  Anyone I know locally that homebrews does the recipe thing, not mash. 

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 10:08:07 AM »
Man, growing Hops sounds great.  I think I will look into that for sure.

The mash thing intrigues me.  I just am intimidated by the process, mostly because I have not seen it done.  Anyone I know locally that homebrews does the recipe thing, not mash. 



Going from extracts to mash is like going from a beer making kit to going to extracts. The quality of the brew improves greatly.

its not hard, it just takes some practice. You will accidentally make chocolate malt a few times, but thats ok. The level of control you gain from going to mash will astound you, and after your first successful mash brew you will be coming apart at the seams with all the ideas you will have.

As Papazan says, 'Relax, have a homebrew!'

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 10:13:17 AM »


As Papazan says, 'Relax, have a homebrew!'

Good book, great quote.

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 11:02:41 AM »
Going from extracts to mash is like going from a beer making kit to going to extracts. The quality of the brew improves greatly.

its not hard, it just takes some practice. You will accidentally make chocolate malt a few times, but thats ok. The level of control you gain from going to mash will astound you, and after your first successful mash brew you will be coming apart at the seams with all the ideas you will have.

As Papazan says, 'Relax, have a homebrew!'

I wouldn't go so far as to say the quality is THAT much better with all grain, but you are no longer limited to what you can find in the way of DME or LME.  You can get quite experimental with your brew.

I do mostly decoction mashing, as I make a lot of German beer styles.  It is more complicated and time consuming but, for certain beer styles, it is worth it. 

I have never had a bad mash, or "chocolate milk".  The first thing you need if you don't have it would be a recipe program (Beersmith, ProMash, etc).
Which will do all the temp calculations for you.  Next, a mash tun.  If you are even moderately handy with tools, you can make one from an Igloo cooler, ball valve, and some CPVC pipe.  You can batch sparge, which is a bit less efficient that continuous of "fly" sparging, but requires less equipment.

If you are vigilant about your sanitation (which you already seem to have down pat), and have somewhere with a decently stable temperature to ferment, then you are good to go.  Making good beer does NOT require a ton of fancy equipment.  Monks have been doing it for years and years, even before electric light :)

The biggest thing that more equipment does for you is make the brew day easier, especially if you are doing it alone.

What I WOULD invest in is a good chiller.  If you go all-grain, you won't be topping off the fermenter with cool water as your wort will be the full volume after the mash and sparge.    I got my plate chiller from http://www.dudadiesel.com/ for pennies less than ANYTHING that says Blichmann on it and I can cool 15 gallons from boil to 70 degrees in less than 10 minutes.  It makes for an awesome cold-break.

I've got a small, 50 qt. mash tun and a bigger 120 qt. one.  Here is the bigger one and the amount of grain it can hold...
The worst part is cleaning out the mash tun (which I make brewmeister Todd do  :)  )






If you have the vertical space you can make a 3-tier gravity system.  I don't, my basement has a low ceiling so I had to make a single tier and buy a March pump.



I have also made a stir plate for making yeast starters (buy one smack pack and propagate it, or harvest yeast from a previous batch) which cuts down on cost.



Here is a Vid of the system running  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDB-tPbsP5k

As far as growing hops?  I think it is the best thing that I ever did.  I have six varieties growing now and, since my sister just bought a farm with some property, I plan on having many more.  If you want to PM me after the winter, I'll cut some rhizomes and send them to ya.











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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 11:13:51 AM »
I still use carboys and have ferment hundreds and hundreds of gallons of beer with them.  A 20 gallon+ fermenter is not something you are going to move around on your own.  In addition, if you brew 20 gallons and one (5 gal.) carboy gets an infection, not all the beer is ruined. Plus you can keg some, bottle some as you see fit.

If anything go for more boiling capacity, you can brew more beer, less often  :aok

Keep an eye out at scrap yards and beer distributors for damaged kegs.  That is what I use for a boiler.  I have two, total.  The other is for a Hot Liquor Tank.
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 11:26:05 AM »
What size conical fermenter?  If over 10 Gallon then it will be very beneficial to go to mash instead of syrup.  Unless you REALLY enjoy cleaning and filling bottles, get a few kegs.

I had a freezer that I installed an externally mounted thermostat so that I could lager, it worked great till it died on me last year.  :cry

 

I may get to that, eventually.  I cheat on most of my beer that calls for a lager yeast and use the Wyeast California Lager (2112) which is more forgiving, temperature wise.

The only time I bend over backwards is when I make my Octoberfest.  My brewing buddies hate it (until it's time to drink)  I insist on a decoction mash and a true Bavarian lager yeast.  For that, I just adjust the brew fridge temps and make sure I do the proper diacetyl rests.
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 11:28:01 AM »
Discovery is coming out with a show called "brewmasters"

Just thought some of you should know.
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2010, 11:37:18 AM »
Discovery is coming out with a show called "brewmasters"

Just thought some of you should know.

Saw that.

After the nice responses I got about the beer I sent to Dayton, I have been thinking about stepping things up a bit and geting my brewery license.

It a one-time inspection fee here in PA and the license is about $1200/year.  

Beer is recession proof.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2010, 11:37:45 AM »
Yep, saw the previews, looks like it will be worth watching.

It's about time that the small brewer gets the recognition for all the labor involved in making a good quality beer.  

I mean, the constant samplings and repeated, almost hourly, quality control checks of the finished product are not for those without the strongest desire to do their best.

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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2010, 03:32:43 PM »
Saw that.

After the nice responses I got about the beer I sent to Dayton, I have been thinking about stepping things up a bit and geting my brewery license.

It a one-time inspection fee here in PA and the license is about $1200/year.  

Beer is recession proof.

That would be awesome. Can't think of a better job.
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2010, 03:45:03 PM »
I find this interesting but have never had the time to indulge.

I have 6 empty kegs in my garage with nothing to do with them.

At one time they were used for carbonation by an old company up north. I can't recall the name, but it is on all the kegs.
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Re: Upgrading My Beer Making Stuff
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2010, 07:33:30 PM »
Discovery is coming out with a show called "brewmasters"

Just thought some of you should know.

Thank you for mentioning that.  I hadn't heard anything about it.  :aok
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