Suggestion to deal with the ack huggers

[ROX]

Another "make it easier for me to kill you" thread.   

If you want a kill...earn it.

[DREDIOCK]

Another "make it easier for me to kill you" thread.   

If you want a kill...earn it.

More then willing to earn it. All Im asking is that you do the same. Earn it.
And it has nothing to do with making it easier to kill you. Reread the situation in the OP. the opponent should have been able to easily regain the advantage had he just decided to fight instead of hide in his ack.
Im not expecting for anyone to make it easy for me. Just that they be willing to fight for their kill as well. How exactly is getting a kill by proxy, "earning" it?

Its why I say that at the very least, proxies should not count toward score or ranking in any way shape or form. A kill by proxy is not an earned kill and should not be rewarded as such.

The only benifit a player should get from auto ack based proxies is that there are that many less planes near their airfeild.

[Oldman731]

Its why I say that at the very least, proxies should not count toward score or ranking in any way shape or form. A kill by proxy is not an earned kill and should not be rewarded as such.

In my experience, my very best encounters are those where no one actually fires a shot and the winner is determined by who augers first.

I hate ack-runners too, but even I recognize that if you follow the guy into his ack you ought not to complain about whatever happens next.

- oldman

[AWwrgwy]

More then willing to earn it. All Im asking is that you do the same. Earn it.
And it has nothing to do with making it easier to kill you. Reread the situation in the OP. the opponent should have been able to easily regain the advantage had he just decided to fight instead of hide in his ack.

In essence, he did regain the advantage... by running to his ack.  He regained the advantage his way, not your way.

Im not expecting for anyone to make it easy for me. Just that they be willing to fight for their kill as well. How exactly is getting a kill by proxy, "earning" it?

Its why I say that at the very least, proxies should not count toward score or ranking in any way shape or form. A kill by proxy is not an earned kill and should not be rewarded as such.

So if I'm chasing a Mustang around on the deck in a Yak with no ammo and he augers, I never shot him, I don't deserve it?

If I'm in a Kate being chased around by a 109 and he augers, I don't deserve credit for the kill?

The only benifit a player should get from auto ack based proxies is that there are that many less planes near their airfeild.

I've been killed plenty of times hiding in my ack.  It is possible.

If you really wanted to fight him, you would have dove into the ack and killed him.  Obviously you were being timid as the advantage wasn't with you.  


As for getting shot down by your own ack, the instances that come to mind and seem most like what you are thinking took place during Operation Bodenplatte.  More than a few Allied aircraft were shot down or hit by friendly, light caliber AAA.  However, it was either a case of mistaken identity, AAA gunners shooting at anything that flew over the field, shoot first, ask later, or, AAA gunners shooting at an enemy aircraft over the field being pursued by a friendly aircraft and not shooting with enough lead and subsequently hitting the pursuing, friendly aircraft.

Now, if you want indiscriminate AAA fire over a friendly field, not only is a friendly more likely to be hit, an enemy is more likely to be missed.

The auto-gunners are much more disciplined than that.



wrongway

[Void]

Only time I run to ack is just to land my kills I was RTBing with. I have seen countless people run to ack in the middle of a fight... So I started taking flak rockets with me sometimes.

[BaldEagl]

While I'd love to see the community ridicule people who run to ack, or go out of their way to end furballs and GV battles...

Yes!  I just LOVE 200 and PM insults thrown by misguided individuals.  We need MORE of that!  It will be a great way to attract new players to the game too.

 

[grizz441]

the opponent should have been able to easily regain the advantage had he just decided to fight instead of hide in his ack.

Can you really blame the guy?  Maybe he is just a casual player that has no interest in becoming a toon god and mastering the art of acm.  Maybe he just likes flying airplanes around a couple nights a week with his friends, recording a couple kills, and trying not to get blown to smithereens.  Over analyzing his flying is absurd, since he probably didn't care enough to know what he was even doing in the first place.  

This thread is a joke.

[Yeager]

I happen to LOVE dragging dolts through ack.  Funny as hell.  I love chasing peeps through the ack as well.

[oTRALFZo]

Can you really blame the guy?  Maybe he is just a casual player that has no interest in becoming a toon god and mastering the art of acm.  Maybe he just likes flying airplanes around a couple nights a week with his friends, recording a couple kills, and trying not to get blown to smithereens.  Over analyzing his flying is absurd, since he probably didn't care enough to know what he was even doing in the first place.  

This thread is a joke.

I disagree and its a legit thread.
What Dred points out is not about the one or two guys doing this. I notice its been the norm here lately to the fact that I ask how come I didnt get memo on this.

Certain players have a reputation for never leaving the dar ring and hanging around their feild at 20k. Can be lame to some, but there is respect on my end that its how they like to play their game, so more power to em.
On the same note, If I'm dancing around an enemy feild at 8k waiting to pounce on victims, I would never expect everyone that ups to leave their ack. I sure wouldnt until I get decent alt to at least move around.
Ive encountered many times guys who have an  alt advantage, make one failed BnZ attempt then nose down to head off the map as quick as they could or off to gain an EXTREME #s advantage. Are we really going to classify this as "smart" flying? Not in my oppinion. I certainly wont whine about it, Ill make the choice to counter or not  but I just earned the right to laugh at you.

[DREDIOCK]

In my experience, my very best encounters are those where no one actually fires a shot and the winner is determined by who augers first.

I hate ack-runners too, but even I recognize that if you follow the guy into his ack you ought not to complain about whatever happens next.

- oldman

Different situation. And Ive commented on exactly that in another thread some time back. And yes in THAT situation I'd agree you've earned the kill.
But not with the autoack proxie.

When I follow a con into his own ack. Its normally out of frustration and disgust over the practice. Normally unless Im trying to help with a base capture/suppression attempt I try to stay far enough from the feild where it isnt an issue. If Im within ack range and get hit by ack. .Such as is usually the case when a CV is involved for example. Ok my bad, whatever happens happens. But I still dont see how someone has earned that kill.
I know I've gotten proxies on people whom autoack has killed that I didnt even know were there let alone engaged. I dont see why I or anyone should be awarded a kill for that.

Lastly, We have some people who's only tactic seems to be to flirt around just outside of ack range and then run to ack whenever an enemy appears regardless of advantage. Now if someone wants to play that way. Perhaps even for the reasons that Grizz gives. Fine. But I dont see why such behavior even if condoned should be rewarded. That isnt what the game, or the spirit of the game is supposed to be about.

[grizz441]

Ive encountered many times guys who have an  alt advantage, make one failed BnZ attempt then nose down to head off the map as quick as they could or off to gain an EXTREME #s advantage. Are we really going to classify this as "smart" flying? Not in my oppinion. I certainly wont whine about it, Ill make the choice to counter or not  but I just earned the right to laugh at you.

I never said it was 'smart' flying.  In fact it is very poor flying, but they are not very skilled and probably don't care about becoming skilled so who really cares what they do?  I'd rather have them in the game than not.

[SunBat]

 I'd rather have them in the game than not.

+1

[waystin2]

I'd rather have them in the game than not.

This should be added to the Grizzology 10 commandments.  +2

[bmwgs]

But I dont see why such behavior even if condoned should be rewarded. That isnt what the game, or the spirit of the game is supposed to be about.

What is the reward?  Score?  We all know score does not mean anything, or does it now?

The spirit of the game is what one wishes it to be.  I seriously doubt we would all agree on what that should be.

Fred

[hitech]

Its reached the point of ridiculousness.
Example. Last night I engage a P47M with my 109F. He has alt and E advantage. I make one turn on him and end up on his 6. Now keep in mind because I had to make the turn and he more or less flew straight. He still had a significant E advantage. So what does he do?
Rather then climb up and away from me. He dives to his ack.

This is getting to be the most common mode of fighting Im seeing lately. People wander just far away enough from the feild to get you to try and fight them. then instead of actually,,you know. FIGHTING. Which is what I always thought this game was SUPPOSED to be about. They run and try to drag you into their ack. As often as not its not even because they got themselves in a bad position. But rather their entire fight strategy.

I can understand when your base is being horded. But I see this with relatively even numbers from a 1V1 co alt co E state to larger masses.
I mean. C'mon already.

So I have a suggestion. so long as a plane is gear down near his field. friendly auto ack will not harm him. As soon as a plane goes gear up. All auto ack fire. including friendly becomes live and has the potential to kill anyone it hits from either side.

Just so I understand this you wish to make friendly ack NOT hit someone when the gear is down? Because ack already does hit friendlies.

HiTech