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Offline Zippatuh

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« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2001, 11:00:00 AM »
14 kills in F4U-D against 4 deaths to N1K2 (tour 19)

4 kills P51D against 1 death to N1K2 (tour 19)

Some numbers where thrown out, I though I’d throw some.  BTW, if the zoom/climb gets fixed on the F4U in 1.08 I’m thinking some 51 pilots are gonna be dog meat since the hog is/was a much better aircraft than the mustang!  ;)

Agreed SW, “burn it, burn it, burn it”.

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« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2001, 02:22:00 PM »
halo... I'm with ya too.   dump the ego centered and unfair idiotic perk system and let everyone fly the uber planes for a couple of days only in the beggining or end of each tour.

My guess is that the guys who love uber planes so much won't be as happy against other uber planes even tho they will get to fly more actual sorties.   They don't care about the planes they just care about having an unfair advantage.
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« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2001, 05:27:00 PM »
I'm am a premeir N1k2 flyer in the MA , most of you already know that. I flew the Ki-84 and A-26 exclusively in AW. After flying AH since beta 1 both these planes have yet to show up, So i fly the N1k2 waiting for my ride to show.

N1K2 CANNOT, repeat CANNOT dictate ANY fight, If you die to a N1K2 you did something wrong in your plane, or I forced you to get stupid and Fight my fight!

It's a good turner but Zeke,yak,KI,spit can out turn it, it's at the bottom of the barrel for speed, It's E retention is good but far from the top, roll rate is not so great. Why the big uproar? You want to turn fight on deck your ponies and LW iron , then you get what you deserve, please don't complain it so uber cause it's not. I also fly the p-47 D30 and Kill N1k2 all day. Learn not to get so stupid with your ride, Relax take your time, the N1k2 surely isn't going anywhere.
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« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2001, 06:13:00 PM »
This is just my humble opinion, so take it for what it's worth.

I think that no plane in the AH inventory should be perked. (Ducks' the inevitable)
Each craft has something to offer.  The choice is yours.  In the last 3 tours, I've shot more Niks and spits down for the camp then any other craft.  Why???  I think maybe it's because I know what they are capable of.
And I know what the craft I'm flying is capable of.  Whatever happened to SA and ACM?
Again, the only reason any pilot got, or gets' shot down was he places himself into postion to be shot down!

Also, when you're furballing 200 feet and lower very close to an enemies airbase what do you expect?  Stay to long at the party and you'll find yourself in the tower or in the silk.

Again, I feel that none of the planes we have now should be perked imho.  However when the 262 shows up it's of the next generation of fighters.  And there I do agree with a steep perk cost.

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« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2001, 06:47:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Urchin:
Well, I worked out the kill % for the planes in Tour 15 (the tour before the C-Hog got perked).

Total (including bombers, GV's)- 169,563 kills.

F4U-1c: 16.3%
N1K2: 7.64%
Spit9: 6.92%
La7: 4.32%

Once you discard the bombers and GV kills, you are left with 127,903 kills.

F4U-1c: 14.69%
N1K2: 8.15%
Spit9: 7.37%
La7: 4.47%

So, fighter to fighter, the N1K2 is 3% away from where the C-Hog was when it got perked.  Including the bombers and GV totals, it is about 4% away.

[ 09-04-2001: Message edited by: Urchin ]

so you're saying that HTC bases their perking of planes off of those statistics only?  all i see there are some calculations thrown out on the table that are expected to justify your whine.. congratulations.. all you've accomplished is to make me waste my time and type this reply and have a few members think lower of you, myself included.  live your life, deal with what happens when it comes.. typing meaningless gibberish in a general forum wont really go far in making a difference to the gameplay.. it'll only make a difference in your reputation as an AH whiner.

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a good pilot should pick his own fights.. if you dont want to deal with the n1k, dont engage it!  sure you may get jumped by one with an advantage, but hey, be smart about it and leave the area.  if you *know* a n1k could/will anger you, just leave before ya get ticked!!  common sense people!!  
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i hate to seem like i'm picking on ya.. but you're going about your gripes the wrong way.

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« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2001, 07:18:00 PM »
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so you're saying that HTC bases their perking of planes off of those statistics only?  all i see there are some calculations thrown out on the table that are expected to justify your whine.. congratulations.. all you've accomplished is to make me waste my time and type this reply and have a few members think lower of you, myself included.  live your life, deal with what happens when it comes.. typing meaningless gibberish in a general forum wont really go far in making a difference to the gameplay.. it'll only make a difference in your reputation as an AH whiner.

<rant mode>
a good pilot should pick his own fights.. if you dont want to deal with the n1k, dont engage it!  sure you may get jumped by one with an advantage, but hey, be smart about it and leave the area.  if you *know* a n1k could/will anger you, just leave before ya get ticked!!  common sense people!!  
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i hate to seem like i'm picking on ya.. but you're going about your gripes the wrong way.

oct out


Well, I posted the stats in response to a question by Karnak, and then a statement by him later.  I believe the initial question was

 
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What percentage of this tour's kills were awarded to the N1K2?

 

and he later made this statement, in reply to which I attempted to calculate the kill percentage for tour 15.
 
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The F4U-1C was perked because it was getting about 20% of the kills each Tour.  

16% of the kills is hardly 20%, at least if you use my normal, old-fashioned math.

I'm pretty much tired of the damn plane.  I don't like fighting them, and I've been flying it for the past couple days and I'm sick of flying it.  The good news is that I've handed every other N1K2 I've met his ass.  Actually, Karnak said something that I found especially telling.  It was something along the lines of "I like the N1K2 as the top plane because it is a plane that punishes you for making mistakes by killing you".  He actually said what I think there, the PLANE can punish you, the pilot has very little to do with it.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The N1K2 is a plane that basically removes pilot skill from the equation.  The only time any skill is needed is if you run across another N1K2, then the better pilot will generally win.  

I swear to god that I'm flying this plane at 5,000 feet PRAYING that someone will bounce me, because I haven't lost a 1v1 fight against any plane in it yet.  I see a P-51 or a P-47 above me, I do everything I can to entice them down, because I know that I've got a better chance of killing them than they do of killing me, even if they bounce me.  

When I'm flying in a 109 or a 190, I usually think that I can win against any plane, even if it bounces me, but I'm not anywhere NEAR as confident as I am in the N1K2.  In fact, I think the single biggest reason I die in the N1K2 is because I get overconfident and dive into situations (or climb, which is even worse  :)) that I would totally avoid in my normal rides.

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« Reply #81 on: September 06, 2001, 10:38:00 AM »
I'm beggining to see the point to this thread.... urchin is the best pilot in the arena.    I would never have known that without this thread.  so i guess there was a point after all.   Without this thread i would have had to rely on my arena experiances and would have never come to the correct conclussion.    
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« Reply #82 on: September 06, 2001, 11:14:00 AM »
Urhcin, you discount the better turning ability of the spitV and zeke because the n1k2 has speed over them (fair enough).

Yet at the same time, you discount the speed of the faster planes vs the n1k2 because the n1k2 has turning ability over them?

The very qualities that in your apparant opinion make the george better than the ki, slower spits, and a6ms would if applied in the same matter make it not as good as most of the rest of the arena.

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« Reply #83 on: September 06, 2001, 11:36:00 AM »
hmm

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« Reply #84 on: September 06, 2001, 11:40:00 AM »
SW and Rip.
Too early for I told you so's. How much support dous urchin have here.
None that I see.
The niki will have some of its perculiarities ironed out and the obvios fact as expressed by Nash that it cannont dictate a fight will become obvios to all.
It does do some anoying things however.

Im not on such solid ground saying you two are wrong as I once was. But I am sure it will not be perked. And I think you two are jumping the gun a little in declaring a win on this one...
we will see...

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« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2001, 12:22:00 PM »
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The N1K2 is a plane that basically removes pilot skill from the equation.  

I swear to god that I'm flying this plane at 5,000 feet PRAYING that someone will bounce me, because I haven't lost a 1v1 fight against any plane in it yet.  I see a P-51 or a P-47 above me, I do everything I can to entice them down, because I know that I've got a better chance of killing them than they do of killing me, even if they bounce me.  


Lets prove this or disprove it. You have the N1K,I will take the pony or the jug. I will grab more alt than you and we will see how well the "n1k" does.

after that one, I will take a spit5 and you can have the n1k, and lets see what happens then.

up for it? or would you rather just discuss it here?
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« Reply #86 on: September 06, 2001, 12:27:00 PM »
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SW and Rip.
Too early for I told you so's. How much support dous urchin have here.
None that I see.
The niki will have some of its perculiarities ironed out and the obvios fact as expressed by Nash that it cannont dictate a fight will become obvios to all.
It does do some anoying things however.

Im not on such solid ground saying you two are wrong as I once was. But I am sure it will not be perked. And I think you two are jumping the gun a little in declaring a win on this one...
we will see...

Fixing the flight model and perking it equates the same answer...some whined, and its been addressed.(or will be soon)   We're always right Pongo, you being Canadian should know that.  :)

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« Reply #87 on: September 06, 2001, 03:22:00 PM »
Pongo... you must have missed those numerous threads from when the F4U-1C was perked.

A little search of the Aircraft/Vehicles forum, GamePlay forum and this here forum will help you get a better picture.

You are right, he doesn't have much support in this thread- BUT he has support from numerous other threads.

Oh and yes the search function does exist: Happy hunting! http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search

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« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2001, 03:34:00 PM »
BTW, I never said anyone won.

The amount of whining transferred from the F4U-1C to the N1K2-- and from pretty much the same people.

I said they'd find the next plane with advantages (real or not) and start a witch hunt.

So, I'm not wrong.
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« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2001, 05:03:00 PM »
SWulfe,

I wanted the F4U-1C to be perked and I'm happy that it was and is.

I have very consistantly argued against perking the N1K2-J (and Spitfire MkIX when that has come up).

There is no non-perked aircraft in AH that I want to see perked.
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