Mustang Mk I

[Ruah]

HO machine I say. . .

[uptown]

The A36 would be more fun 

[B3YT]

Wow.  It's the Washington Naval Treaty ported to aircraft.

 

Re-read Ack-Ack's post.

The P-51, called the Mustang I by the British, had 4 .50s and 4 .303s only.  No canunz.



wrongway

i believe he said the RAF mustang Ia HAD 4 20mm cannons and they did . 140 Mustang Ia were sent to the UK instead of the requested 400 , the rest going into USAAF service

[Guppy35]

Ah man...Corky's P-51VLR thread snagged yet another one.  I thought he had pulled up his bait long ago but I guess he must have forgotten a hook in the water.

Anyway...the Mustang Mk Ia were the RAF 20mm cannon equipped Mustangs that were pretty much used in the Army co-operation role (i.e. ground support and intruder missions) and recce duties.

Okay...the P-51 VLR that Corky had posted about...it was a parody of Chalenge's wish to get larger drop tanks for the Mustang and all the wishes posted for a cannon equipped P-51.  In reality, the "VLR P-51s" were nothing more than P-51Ds used on VLR (Very Long Range) missions.  The VLR missions were primarily escort duties for the B-29 raids but as time wore on, the Japanese were less prone to engage the B-29 during the daylight raids and would avoid the Mustang escorts.  To counter this, the P-51Ds flew both escort and low altitude fighter sweeps, like the P-51Ds had done over Europe.

The P-51Ds would take off on their VLR missions from Iwo Jima, with flights lasting up to 8 hours as they flew to Japan and back.  The Iwo Mustangs weren't specially modified, didn't carry any special armament or cannons as they were just normal P-51Ds.

This is page is the history of the 506th Fighter Group and tells the story via pilot's comments of the first VLR raid by the Iwo P-51Ds.  It also tells the story of a banzai attack one of the 506th squadrons beat back.

506th FG - First VLR to Japan

This tells the history of the VLR missions.

VLR History

ack-ack

Some halfway decent 506th FG Mustang profiles on that website.  Wonder who did em?

[Guppy35]

I don't think it was called mk1 and it's been asked for. So I'd no

first clue here is the first three words......and I believe it's because you didn't look.

the first mustangs sold to great Britain under lend-lease was the Mk I four cannon armed rather than the original requested 2 fifties and 2 thirty caliber in each wing. the original purchase request was to be in accordance with the arms treaty that limited fighter armament, when germany tossed out the limitation and armed their fighters with 20mm cannon the British up-armed their own and the mustang Mk I's went to two 20mm per wing.
 
 The A-36 was the USAAF's first mustang and was equipped with dive brakes and reinforced hardpoints for bomb shackles that added weight and decreased the maneuverability.

That would be wrong on the RAF Mustangs.  No cannon birds in the first deliveries. Mustang I was MG equipped.  We've had this discussion many a time too.  Search would help here instead of rehashing the debate.

In order of appearance should we ever get Allison Mustangs, it would be the RAF MG version first, A36 second, P51 with the 4 50s third.  Cannon bird would be way down the list

[AWwrgwy]

i believe he said the RAF mustang Ia HAD 4 20mm cannons and they did . 140 Mustang Ia were sent to the UK instead of the requested 400 , the rest going into USAAF service

the original purchase request was to be in accordance with the arms treaty that limited fighter armament, when germany tossed out the limitation and armed their fighters with 20mm cannon the British up-armed their own and the mustang Mk I's went to two 20mm per wing.

OK.... 

Like I said.....


wrongway

[Ack-Ack]

Some halfway decent 506th FG Mustang profiles on that website.  Wonder who did em?

Heard it was done by some guy that has a very tough time keeping the necessary flying parts on his plane attached.

ack-ack

[SpiveyCH]

Example of a cannon-armed P-51  (NA-91)

(Mustang IA and P-51) four 20mm Hispano in wings.       The RAF received 150 Mustang IA's.

[perdue3]

-1 P-51 GFY


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[B3YT]

That would be wrong on the RAF Mustangs.  No cannon birds in the first deliveries. Mustang I was MG equipped.  We've had this discussion many a time too.  Search would help here instead of rehashing the debate.

In order of appearance should we ever get Allison Mustangs, it would be the RAF MG version first, A36 second, P51 with the 4 50s third.  Cannon bird would be way down the list

sorry guppy you  are in correct on the RAF mustangs and I will get the details soon . can't get to the book right now (i'm not at home ) but the RAF did get cannon armed mustangs . It was not a complete order as the attack on pearl harbour  forced to cancellation of the order on the US side .  These  became USAAF  armed recon aircraft . Not the A36 or known as the MkIa . But the 100 odd RAF P-51 MkIa  were cannon armed with another 200 with the .50cal delivered  before the pearl harbour attack.   I can give you Squadrons  that they equipped if you'd like  and service dates.

[Guppy35]

sorry guppy you  are in correct on the RAF mustangs and I will get the details soon . can't get to the book right now (i'm not at home ) but the RAF did get cannon armed mustangs . It was not a complete order as the attack on pearl harbour  forced to cancellation of the order on the US side .  These  became USAAF  armed recon aircraft . Not the A36 or known as the MkIa . But the 100 odd RAF P-51 MkIa  were cannon armed with another 200 with the .50cal delivered  before the pearl harbour attack.   I can give you Squadrons  that they equipped if you'd like  and service dates.

Not questioning that they got some cannon birds.  They were not the original order for the RAF.  Those were MG birds.  We've had this discussion, complete with photos of both kinds in RAF service previously

Of the Allison Mustangs, the connon bird is the least important in terms of service use and numbers is all I'm saying.  The RAF Mustangs over Dieppe for example in 42 were MG equipped.  The CBI first Air Commando Allison Mustangs were MG birds.  The A36 was far more important, and an MG bird.

Folks want the cannon bird, not because it's a Mustang, but because they see 4 cannons and try and make the argument it's because it's a Mustang

[Karnak]

Guppy is correct.  Humans are built to like something and then justify why that is they are correct rather than to look at information from a neutral standpoint and make a decision based on the information.  This urge to cherry pick information to support a decision made based on initial like/dislike can be fought though.  You just have to recognize it for what it is and take it into consideration.

People who want the 20mm armed Allison Mustang want a 20mm armed Mustang, not an Allison Mustang.

[GreenEagle43]

P-51-A with the Allison engine and 4-20mm cannons.witch were flow by the RAF.during the African canpane against the germans.

[Guppy35]

P-51-A with the Allison engine and 4-20mm cannons.witch were flow by the RAF.during the African canpane against the germans.
(Image removed from quote.)

Um no.  That's a Wright field test bird.

[uptown]

I love the skin. test bird or not.