Bomber Perk Costs

[dirtdart]

Ok... the jury has spoken.  When a trio of 29 s gets blasted by a 262 to the tune of 300 to 400 perkies I will sit back and revel in the tears of the victim.  Man I am cringing at that cost..... time to go see which gets more use the mossie or arado.

[FYB]

Ok... the jury has spoken.  When a trio of 29 s gets blasted by a 262 to the tune of 300 to 400 perkies I will sit back and revel in the tears of the victim.  Man I am cringing at that cost..... time to go see which gets more use the mossie or arado.

If he got that many bomber perks then he won't get shot out of the sky by anything if he knows his stuff. Trust me, at 42,000ft... 

[AWwrgwy]

You are correct on my arbitrary decisions. So I went to ew and flew a townpork in 25c. Netted 18 perkies in 45 minutes. I wanted to stab my eye out with a spoon. To return to my original point, compounding the perks for a formation just seems excessive.  I would like to think that if htc goes through the trouble to model a plane that actually having one that does not turn off most except perk farmers would be nice. I have flown the mossies I think twice. Mostly because one will only do so much and is unarmed. Flying a formation just seems too expensive. Again, the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Just curious, but since bombing seems so odious and boring, what do you intend to do with a B-29 anyway?


wrongway

[Karnak]

You are correct on my arbitrary decisions. So I went to ew and flew a townpork in 25c. Netted 18 perkies in 45 minutes. I wanted to stab my eye out with a spoon. To return to my original point, compounding the perks for a formation just seems excessive.  I would like to think that if htc goes through the trouble to model a plane that actually having one that does not turn off most except perk farmers would be nice. I have flown the mossies I think twice. Mostly because one will only do so much and is unarmed. Flying a formation just seems too expensive. Again, the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Why the B-25C?  The Ki-67 would be a much better choice.  It is faster, climbs better and has the guns to bait a fighter or two into a fun fight that can result in even more perks.

[Lusche]

To return to my original point, compounding the perks for a formation just seems excessive. 

But compounding their guns for three times the defensive firepower and compounding their bombload is not?

[MarineUS]

Bombing is never boring. It gets intense when the DHBG makes a run and we have 20 or so fighters swarming the place (or like last week - there were literally over 15 163's after us!). I would love the B29 - alt x, go afk, heat up the pizza, come back at 15K - watch the dar for a minute - continue eating pizza and then finally reaching my goal alt.

I actually like doing that. It's a good break from furball furball furball furball - get vulched - vulched - furball furball furball

[dirtdart]

Just curious, but since bombing seems so odious and boring, what do you intend to do with a B-29 anyway?


wrongway

I do enjoy the bombing piece, please do not mistake that.  As marine said, it can be a nice break.  My point is, to take a flight of B29s up, or mossie 16, or arados, is expensive.  It seems a bit counterintuitive to add a plane to the set whose formation cost will limit it's use to only a handful of players.  Or, players who bust their tails to get the perks, only to lose them and say "that was no worth it".  Like my first jaunt in a 262.  Again, a personal experience.  So, here in the wishlist "tab" I am asking to remove the perk multiplier as a mechanism to promote people flying these new additions.  Most of the folks arguing against this are long term players who have the perks to crash them until the cows come home. 

But compounding their guns for three times the defensive firepower and compounding their bombload is not?

I agree Lusche.  I can't argue that.  I, like you, am throwing some ideas around to promote people using things within the game.  The other option is to drop the costs on the perks a bit.  The mossie is a bit high, I am curious as to how much it actually gets used as a formation plane. 

[kvuo75]

It seems a bit counterintuitive to add a plane to the set whose formation cost will limit it's use to only a handful of players. 

hmm.. what do you base this on? how do you know only a handful will be able to afford it?

i dare say MOST bomber pilots probably have plenty of perks to spare, because there are only 2 ways to use em.

[dirtdart]

hmm.. what do you base this on? how do you know only a handful will be able to afford it?

i dare say MOST bomber pilots probably have plenty of perks to spare, because there are only 2 ways to use em.

Hmmm a bit snarky... if there are 3,000 player (random guess) how many do you think have thousands?

[Lusche]

Hmmm a bit snarky... if there are 3,000 player (random guess) how many do you think have thousands?

I think not many.

But the point of perks IS to control usage of certain high-power planes and vehicles. If everybody could afford using perks stuff all the time, or being able to get the perks required without any effort, it would defeat the very purpose of perk points itself.

And again: We are only speculating. We can not say "too easy... too hard... to costly... B-29's are too cheap"... because we do not know the perk price, nor do we know the exact impact of it yet.

So let's wait until it's here and has been used for a full tour.

[dirtdart]

I think not many.

But the point of perks IS to control usage of certain high-power planes and vehicles. If everybody could afford using perks stuff all the time, or being able to get the perks required without any effort, it would defeat the very purpose of perk points itself.

And again: We are only speculating. We can not say "too easy... too hard... to costly... B-29's are too cheap"... because we do not know the perk price, nor do we know the exact impact of it yet.

So let's wait until it's here and has been used for a full tour.

I agree, I am jumping the gun a bit on the 29.  I will say that although the mossie 16 is capable, it is not worth it to me to fly vice some forts or libs.  I do not know the basis for the exact perk cost, but again it seems that some perked rides are a bit high compared to their a. use in the game and b. "star power". 

My "easy fix" is to promote flying these (I assume) intese to develop planes is to remove the mutiplier on perked bombers, thats all. 

[VonKost]

I agree, I am jumping the gun a bit on the 29.  I will say that although the mossie 16 is capable, it is not worth it to me to fly vice some forts or libs.  I do not know the basis for the exact perk cost, but again it seems that some perked rides are a bit high compared to their a. use in the game and b. "star power". 

My "easy fix" is to promote flying these (I assume) intese to develop planes is to remove the mutiplier on perked bombers, thats all. 

My gut feeling is that this would be right too. 40 points is fine for the mossy, but not 120.

[AWwrgwy]

I do enjoy the bombing piece, please do not mistake that.  As marine said, it can be a nice break.  My point is, to take a flight of B29s up, or mossie 16, or arados, is expensive.  It seems a bit counterintuitive to add a plane to the set whose formation cost will limit it's use to only a handful of players.  Or, players who bust their tails to get the perks, only to lose them and say "that was no worth it".  Like my first jaunt in a 262.  Again, a personal experience.  So, here in the wishlist "tab" I am asking to remove the perk multiplier as a mechanism to promote people flying these new additions.  Most of the folks arguing against this are long term players who have the perks to crash them until the cows come home. 

You want something for nothing.  Reward without risk.

My point was that bombing seems so trivial and menial to you that there is really no point in taking up a lone B-29 let alone a formation.

What difference would a formation mean to you anyway?  More bombs?  More guns to defend with?  You need to pay to play.

Next, you'll want your perks back if you get disco'd....

Hmmm a bit snarky... if there are 3,000 player (random guess) how many do you think have thousands?

I don't bomb much.  I think I have @ 1000.  I seem to get more perks resupplying with a goon than bombing stuff anyway.

Those without thousands, like you, probably find bombing a mundane experience as well.


wrongway

[SmokinLoon]

I've been a proponent for perking the Lancaster, B24, and B17 for quite some time.  I'm talking small as in 8 or less per bomber, maybe even 5 or less.  The amount of destructive capability those units have is highly under-regarded.  Perk them a wee bit and the dive bombing heavy bombers, the bomb-n-bail, and the kamakazi runs vs a CV will be reduced in number.

The B29 can be caught, even at its best altitude and best speed.  The Mossi Mk16 has a few select fighters than can climb quickly enough and run fast enough and catch it.

Speed is life, it the "target" (Mossi 16, Ar234) is not around to be shot at, the chance of surviving is... well... THAT much better regardless of how many guns a heavy bomber has to defend itself with.   

For the amount of ord the B29 can carry, for as fast as it can go at best speed alt, I hope it has a generous perk applied. 

[dirtdart]

You want something for nothing.  Reward without risk.

My point was that bombing seems so trivial and menial to you that there is really no point in taking up a lone B-29 let alone a formation.

What difference would a formation mean to you anyway?  More bombs?  More guns to defend with?  You need to pay to play.

Next, you'll want your perks back if you get disco'd....


I don't bomb much.  I think I have @ 1000.  I seem to get more perks resupplying with a goon than bombing stuff anyway.

Those without thousands, like you, probably find bombing a mundane experience as well.


wrongway

Perks on Discos is a completely different thread.  I was rolling a 262 last week when the power went out in my house... was a real bummer.  But, the cable pullers would use that to their advantage... only takes a couple of turdburglers to ruin it for all of us...sigh. 

I think you misunderstand my point.  There must be price, I agree, further I agree with smokinloons point on light perks on the lancs to discourage the bomb and bail/Lancaster guys.  I just think the perk cost should be the same whether you take one or three.  You are checking the ride out.  The risk of running one vice three is substantially greater, the payoff may not be there, as in the case of the arado and mossie 16. 

Lusche said earlier, you get more damage, more guns, all true.  Again, the advertised price should be inclusive of the formation. 

The first day of the mossie 16, I upped a Ta-152 to 25k and then waited, shot down and killed a flight of mossie 16s.  That guy did not have a chance.  A perkless single B-17 would have stood a better chance.  The man probably lost 120 perkies to what, the exhillaration of speed?  Juice....Squeeze.