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Offline bloom25

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« on: April 09, 2001, 04:19:00 PM »
My main system is an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 700@927 Mhz.  As you can imagine I've got a very large heatsink and fan on it to keep it cool.

When I installed the fan it had a thermal pad already on it, which I went ahead and used.  Over the past couple weeks I've noticed my CPU temperatures slowly beginning to rise.  Originally they were at 45C.  The last time I checked they were at 53C full load.  I knew something was wrong, but I was afraid of damaging the CPU die.  (Those of you who have ever seen a Thunderbird or Duron CPU will know what I'm talking about.   )

To make a long story short I decided something must be done, so I *carefully* removed the retaining clip.  To my horror the heatsink was stuck to the die.  After checking to make sure I could afford a new processor (   ) in case I broke this one, I *gently* removed the heatsink.  What I found surprised me:  The heatsink paste had totally hardened, and had turned tan in color instead of white.  Even worse, part of the CPU die itself was chipped off one of the corners.  I figured it was dead.  (This was a rare CPU too, it was a "blue - copper" thunderbird that had not been locked at the factory! )  I decided I had nothing to lose, so I removed the CPU and carefully cleaned off the die.  I then scraped off the thermal pad of the heatsink.  I then applied a VERY thin layer of fresh heatsink paste and reinstalled the CPU and heatsink.

Luckly for me the CPU still worked fine, but now my CPU temp is 40C (104F), which is the coolest it's ever been.

The moral of the story, never use the included thermal compound on a heatsink with a Thunderbird CPU!  Invest a few bucks in a tube of Artic Silver or the like.  It may save your CPU in a month or two.

I was very lucky that I was able to remove the heatsink and not completely ruin the CPU.  I don't recommend anyone ever remove a Thunderbird CPU once it is mounted, so do it right the first time!



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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2001, 05:32:00 PM »
Heh, when I bought new CPU and sold Celeron 500, I couldn't get the cooler off from CPU easily due to thermal pad which acted like glue.
Because CPU was installed in a slotket adapter, I put whole thing (slotked, cpu and cooler attached) in the box and sent it for the buyer    (of course agreed with him)
Didn't see sense in ripping it off if it fits in the box and if buyer will put whole thing in his computer anyway as it is. (he needed slotket too)

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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2001, 08:09:00 PM »
Yeah, my thermal pad got so hard that I almost had to pry the heatsink off with a screwdriver!    I'm SO lucky that it still works, and at a lower temperature at that.

I should have took a picture of the bottom of the heatsink, there was a big imprint of the core in the pad, and a tiny little chunk of CPU core in the corner!  I guess that little piece didn't do anything important.  



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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2001, 08:16:00 PM »
WHat temp. should a chip be at?  No O/C here but the Chip temperature on this PIII-800 runs Chip edge of 40 C and at surface Temp its 53 C.

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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2001, 09:13:00 PM »
Hey guys,

How do I check my CPU temp?


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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2001, 07:46:00 AM »
Yeah, what Blue Mako said.  

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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2001, 08:18:00 AM »
My GeForce 2 Pro came with a Winfast utility that monitors my hardware.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2001, 08:18:00 AM »
look this site for mother board monitor: http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2001, 09:05:00 AM »
First off I have to agree with straffo, the
Motherboard monitor that he gave the link to is Excellent IMO.

Next, I also used the original pad that came on the heatsink. However I'm showing no problems here. If anything temps are better than when I first started not worse.

However thanks for the heads up, will continue to watch for signs of trouble.


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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2001, 05:58:00 PM »
That seems kinda hot Ripsnort - Tronspir.  

My Athlon Tbird 700@927 gets no hotter than 53C after 4+ hours of AH.  I know that it has a much higher power consumption than a P3 800.



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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2001, 03:24:00 PM »
Bloom...I went in the opposite direction heh. When I first put together my 1ghz T-Bird, I bought a fan and heatsink that had a thermal pad on it. I scraped off the thermal pad, and used a thin layer of thermal compound instead. My CPU temps were getting scary. After an hour or so of AH, it would be around 55-56 celsius. So, I went and bought another heatsink and left the thermal pad on. Now, CPU runs at 50-51 celsius. Go figure  

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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2001, 05:04:00 PM »
You used too much Raub.    You should only be using just a "film" of heatsink compound.  Remember, all you want to do is fill microscopic pores and scratches etc and keep air out of the interface.

I suppose I should have been more precise on my definition of thermal pad, since there are 2 types.  One is just plain silicone z9 heatsink gel.  (That is the kind I had.)  The other is what is known as a "phase change" pad.  This is quite different.



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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2001, 09:51:00 AM »
If I understood right, the 'phase change' type of pad needs burning in.

That's right folks, letting your CPU temperature go to the roof for a few seconds..

Even I'm not crazy enough to try that  

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2001, 08:58:00 PM »
Well I am experienceing a steady rise of my CPU temp under full load. It's gone from 107 F to 127F in less than a week. Admittedly the temp in the house has risen the last week also. (heat wave up here in ND) Continueing to watch it closely, but It looks like I'll be investing in some Artic Silver soon.