Unperk everything in Latewar

[grizz441]

So if I believe the learning curve for ACM is unfair because vets with perks can have 262s and discourage the newbs who can't, it's a bad thing?  How is that balanced any more then expecting folks who want to take towns to adapt and work up the learning curve?

Easy, because jets cost 200 dang perks.  If all someone did was fly jets then they wouldn't have any perks.  The only players that actually make an impact in game balance in jets are muppets, and we realize that.  We also typically only fly them against mega hordes, unless we are really in a jet mood

And if in the end, I reach the point where I say let em have everything, then it's time to set limits?  Maybe the best way to figure that out for folks is to give them a shot at what they claim to want.  Kinda like raising kids.  They'll be begging for limits sooner then later once they don't have them.

How does unperking jets and temps help the win the war crowd achieve their goals if everyone else has more temps and more jets to defend against it?  

Maybe the best way to figure that out for folks is to give them a shot at what they claim to want.

"They" want free temps and jets?  Link please.

[Guppy35]

Grizz, you are always telling me I don't get it.  I'm afraid this is one of those times where you aren't.

If you don't recall the we want to fly what we want to fly threads, you've not been around as long as I thought.

Let me try and explain it again.

I work with 'troubled teens'.  I have for the last 25+ years.  I have yet to run into a kid that didn't know better how the program we run should work then we do.  This should change or that should change.  Not that the program hasn't been in place for a long time and well thought out of course. 

Every so often when the complaints reach a certain level, I'll stop and say 'ok, you win".  You design it.  Tell me how it should work.  Naturally there are no limits.  Everyone can do whatever they want without rules.  But then you start questioning it, and they can't explain why.  They just want what they want.  By the time you get done with the discussion, they're 'program' is far more difficult then ours.  Because they don't factor in the realities of running a program, they have all the answers.

The ironic part about this, was none of those wanting everything, bit.  You and some others that should know better, did. 

Bottom line is I had this strange idea that I thought would be something to see.  Set up two arenas, one the way it is, and one with everything cut loose.  I thought it would be interesting to see who would end up where and if in fact folks would end up in the arena where there were limits in the end.

Do I expect it to happen? No.  But it was a fun thought just to see how people would react.

[grizz441]

Grizz, you are always telling me I don't get it.  I'm afraid this is one of those times where you aren't.

If you don't recall the we want to fly what we want to fly threads, you've not been around as long as I thought.

Let me try and explain it again.

I work with 'troubled teens'.  I have for the last 25+ years.  I have yet to run into a kid that didn't know better how the program we run should work then we do.  This should change or that should change.  Not that the program hasn't been in place for a long time and well thought out of course. 

Ok, using your own analogy then.  The "program" HAS changed.  It has not been around for a long time like you infer, in fact this imbalance started only a few months ago.

Every so often when the complaints reach a certain level, I'll stop and say 'ok, you win".  You design it.  Tell me how it should work.  Naturally there are no limits.  Everyone can do whatever they want without rules.  But then you start questioning it, and they can't explain why.  They just want what they want.  By the time you get done with the discussion, they're 'program' is far more difficult then ours.  Because they don't factor in the realities of running a program, they have all the answers.

Oh believe me, when I actually give myself a little bit of time to sit down and think about things and organize my thoughts, I will come up with solutions to the balance problem that also include many improvements.  And believe me, my solution won't be simply unperking the entire plane set, creating another arena and 'letting the people choose'.   

Do I expect it to happen? No.  But it was a fun thought just to see how people would react.

I don't expect it to happen either.  It is a terrible idea and HiTech does not implement terrible ideas.

[Guppy35]

LOL you still miss the point.  Well only one of us can be right all the time

And you gotta relax Grizz.  You are gonna get a heachache taking this stuff so seriously.  Coulda swore you were telling me to lighten up not too long ago?   

[grizz441]

LOL you still miss the point.  Well only one of us can be right all the time

Yep, me.

Here's some emoticons to lighten up the convo.   

[Guppy35]

Where's SunBat when we need em?

[Closer]

Foz,
 It's hard to reason with kids, non-heterosexuals and girls.
The adults are leaving the building one by one, then it will be all theirs, which allot of us think is the establishments goal. 
 It is ashame that people that are nobody, I mean nobody, in the real world think they should try to influence anybody in this game.   

[Shifty]

     I must be getting old, I can't remember 1/4 of the guys who "flew in DOS".  I didn't think there were all
that many at the time.

I'd forgotten my old game id from the old DOS Kesami days a few years ago and ran across a scrap of paper I'd written it down on while I was going through some old books.
I can't believe what I paid to play that game once a week for an hour or two. I had to pay long distance charges at the time while I was stationed in Valdosta GA in pre internet days.
None of the guys I used to fly with are around as far as I know.Drum, SEeagle, and Totenkopf. Sheesh it won't be long now until that was 20 years ago... 

[AWwrgwy]

Anyone going to explain how unperking planes = communism?

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a stateless and classless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate

How's that?

Forgot another feature...convert the perks to XP points so we can level up.  Oh, and every other level we can earn special abilities we can use, like stun or super boost that increases speed by 5% for five minutes.  We can turn AH into the WoW of flight sims.

ack-ack

Speaking of WoW and the like, HiTech could sell perks.  Officially only.  Added income.

I was about to add a photo of my Mossie, which I will still do but.......
(Image removed from quote.)
Why do the English wear ties to war?

Because they're gentlemen.

"They" want free temps and jets?  Link please.

Wishlist:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,301411.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,301244.0.html

even bombers:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,301281.0.html



wrongway

[dedalos]

Hey 80th, go to the DA.

 

[Crash Orange]

Bottom line is I had this strange idea that I thought would be something to see.  Set up two arenas, one the way it is, and one with everything cut loose. 

Perhaps this is the problem with your perspective. Paying customers at a business != "troubled teens" committed to a program, and treating them like they are would be incredibly foolish. No business that treats its paying customers that way would stay in business very long.

Bottom line is I had this strange idea that I thought would be something to see.  Set up two arenas, one the way it is, and one with everything cut loose. 

And you win the award for the most ridiculous straw man posted on the forums this year.

Just because you can come up with an absolutely idiotic idea for an arena that you know everyone would hate, does not mean that any suggestion for changing the current system is invalid.

No one - NO ONE - has requested or proposed the changes you suggest. No one would go to the arena you propose, because it is nothing like what they have actually requested or proposed. Pretending that the changes people have actually proposed or suggested are the same as the purposely idiotic one you've raised here does nothing but add noise to an already inane discussion.

Should the NFL require 30 yards instead of 10 for a first down? Would such a change promote more exciting games by forcing the players to develop better skills?

[Shuffler]

Perhaps this is the problem with your perspective. Paying customers at a business != "troubled teens" committed to a program, and treating them like they are would be incredibly foolish. No business that treats its paying customers that way would stay in business very long.

And you win the award for the most ridiculous straw man posted on the forums this year.

Just because you can come up with an absolutely idiotic idea for an arena that you know everyone would hate, does not mean that any suggestion for changing the current system is invalid.

No one - NO ONE - has requested or proposed the changes you suggest. No one would go to the arena you propose, because it is nothing like what they have actually requested or proposed. Pretending that the changes people have actually proposed or suggested are the same as the purposely idiotic one you've raised here does nothing but add noise to an already inane discussion.

Should the NFL require 30 yards instead of 10 for a first down? Would such a change promote more exciting games by forcing the players to develop better skills?

Hmm looks like that covers most of the complaints this past year. One arena with no holds barred. One arena set just as they are now. Wait and see where most folks end up.

[grizz441]

I could at least respect you guys if you argued that the game is balanced now.  But your complete neglect for the concept of balance is what is really riduculous.

[Crash Orange]

Hmm looks like that covers most of the complaints this past year.

It "covers" them with a deliberately idiotic and unworkable solution that isn't what anyone has asked for. In other words, it doesn't cover them at all.

No one. No one. No one. has said that the problem with AH is that they can't fly 262s whenever they want without paying perks. No one.

[Shuffler]

Yup looks like the complainers just complain to complain.... lol.


Being not happy makes them happy.


HiTech has to deal with this in a business sense. After reading this thread folks should be able to see what he deals with on a regular basis.