DA / State of affairs?

[NCLawman]

So, tonight, I log on with the hopes of trying out the new updates (patch 0 as correctly stated by Pyro in another thread )  Of course, the Orange Arena is over-full and the Blue is the Vagina Map.  So I figured I would go to the DA (something I never do) and mix it up there a bit hoping to improve on the ACM (which I am NOT good at).  At the very least, pass some time until I can get into the Orange Arena (hopefully to any map other than square-no water map or vagina map).

As the only action was at Furball Lake and I had not 'challenged' any one to a pre-arranged duel, I went to the furball area.  I figured I would take the opportunity to fly a bird that often does not fare well in the MAIN and have some fun learning it.  I took a P40E and flew out from the Bish mountain out over the water toward the concentration of red dots, and when I get there......  Nothing but Spit16s, Tempests, a couple picking P51, and HOing 110.  I kid you not, there was as dude (who shall remain nameless) in a Tempy floating around on high zooming in for picks. A 110 (who shall remain nameless, made 4 straight HOs on a fellow bish).   Pony's and SPit16s diving in from the stratosphere to get picks at the DA lake!   

Now, I understand, that people can take ANY plane and that the DA is a good place to learn that plane.  But floating around in near outerspace, to Zoom in and get picks in the DA accomplishes exactly what?   

The DA was truly no different than any other main arena, except that perk birds are free.   

   to the DA score potatos.  May you live forever and land your kills for a massive AceHigh Reward.  I will forever cherish your name in the DA lights!   


 

[phatzo]

I found if I was heading to the lake (something I do when I only have a short time to play) I need to adopt a different mindset, not necisarily take up an uber plane but whatever you do take make sure you have a bug out plan for when it inevitably ends up 5 on 1 or take it like a man and go get a new plane. Its a great place to get yourself in trouble and also a good tool for learning to get out of trouble.

[NCLawman]

I found if I was heading to the lake (something I do when I only have a short time to play) I need to adopt a different mindset, not necessarily take up an uber plane but whatever you do take make sure you have a bug out plan for when it inevitably ends up 5 on 1 or take it like a man and go get a new plane. Its a great place to get yourself in trouble and also a good tool for learning to get out of trouble.

I noticed the ganging, but I am unconcerned about that.  It is the DA, I expect to die and have no desire to land.  I was just wondering the logic behind upping UBER cannon-bird and flying high to rack-up 'pick' kills, in the DA????  Really not understanding that part.       I could see if one were playing for rank... picking = good k/d ratio.  I could see if one was taking a base ... enemy suppression = capture.  I don't get the concept of this sort of fight in the DA. 

If that is the case, then there really is no reason to go to the DA... might as well fight in the MA.  At least then the kills count toward something.  I am not suggesting that everyone have to fly an RV-8.... (LOL), I just merely don't understand the B&Z-pick with an perkie cannon bird in the DA...  I thought the DA was essentially a mass knife fight.  Clearly, I was wrong.  So, I know I can return to the MA and get picked like always.   

[uptown]

Oh yeah. I see them in there at 30K on a routine basis. And when you get sick of them picking you and climb up there to met them, they will turn tail and run to their field.   Either that or dive straight down in hopes of picking some unsuspecting poor bastige already in a fight with a half dozen or so bad guys. It's an absolute joke most of the time. But I do have to admit I've had alot of fun in there too.
The really sad part is that it's exactly the same as the MA, just on a smaller scale. Like Gixer said in another thread...This game has become nothing more then Air Quake. It's getting ridiculous.

[doc1kelley]

I noticed the ganging, but I am unconcerned about that.  It is the DA, I expect to die and have no desire to land.  I was just wondering the logic behind upping UBER cannon-bird and flying high to rack-up 'pick' kills, in the DA????  Really not understanding that part.      I could see if one were playing for rank... picking = good k/d ratio.  I could see if one was taking a base ... enemy suppression = capture.  I don't get the concept of this sort of fight in the DA.  

If that is the case, then there really is no reason to go to the DA... might as well fight in the MA.  At least then the kills count toward something.  I am not suggesting that everyone have to fly an RV-8.... (LOL), I just merely don't understand the B&Z-pick with an perkie cannon bird in the DA...  I thought the DA was essentially a mass knife fight.  Clearly, I was wrong.  So, I know I can return to the MA and get picked like always.  

Which is why the furballer purist want their way in the LW-Main Arena!  The DA has become a cesspool and the Furball purist don't like it either.  Everybody deserves a chance to have their fun in this game as they are all paying for it and I would suggest that they introduce the 8 player mode back and that would drain the cesspool and the pure Duelers (what I call the furball purist), can have some fun of their own once again.  In my opinion, we need to have the old 8 player mode for subscribers much more than we need a frigging B-29 in this game!  Oh and I would also suggest that they add a hard cap on altitude, that way they can prevent those 30K pickers in a dueling arena.

All the Best...

   Jay

[Tupac]

Versus/H2H was a blast. I had more fun in those arenas than anywhere else.

[BaldEagl]

Put the SA on high gear at furball lake.  Last time I was there I got 4 kills in a Spit Mk I furballing outnumbered on the deck.  I finally ran out of ammo and was just trying to get guys to auger.  I always seem to have fun there but I know what to expect and don't expect to live.

[Threeup]

As long as your expectations aren't high you can have a good time in the DA.
It's instant consequence free fun.
Life is populated by less than moral individuals - DA is no different.

Tempest Fools - Never in the MA long enough to earn perks but up a Temp and go through firing.
Brew Fools - 50 feet off the deck in ever decreasing circles until they pin you down.
Pony Fools - Just like Temp fools but with more class.
110 Fools - Their version of a merge is come in firing.

Oddly Spit XVI's aren't that competitive in there unless they are against other spit XVI's in which case - who cares? As for everything else if you want to work out a strategy for killing Spit XVI's there's no shortage of Lab Rats.

Work on your merges, work on your gunnery, work on your SA just don't expect to live very long. And of course, your "game". When you have come up against the same person 5 times in 10 minutes the opportunity for insults are ever present.

Life is good - planes are free.

[Ack-Ack]

When I want to practice on my reversals, I head to Furball Lake in the DA as it's the best place to practice them.

ack-ack

[nrshida]

Why would you expect different behaviour to the MA when the motivations and rewards are exactly the same?

Implying there should be a different set of behaviour because the DA is an arena intended to be used as a tool for the 'MA players' is woefully out of date.

If you want the kind of fights you seem to be suggesting then you need to get to the lake anytime between about 2am - 9am Central Time Zone (North America) (UTC-6), when it is less populated. The regulars call this 'the breakfast club' and you can usually expect better fights and a little more manners than at other times.

I say usually because even this is steadily slipping away. Those that try to encourage more sportsmanlike play are basically getting tired of trying to keep the standard even slightly above moshpit. Some days it is utterly pointless. Even with as little as 6 players, there might still be 2 Tempests and at least one player trying to systematically pick.

If Aces High players want the behaviour at the lake to change, then a change to the arena itself must be made.

[NCLawman]

Why would you expect different behaviour to the MA when the motivations and rewards are exactly the same?

Implying there should be a different set of behaviour because the DA is an arena intended to be used as a tool for the 'MA players' is woefully out of date.

If you want the kind of fights you seem to be suggesting  {snip}

If Aces High players want the behaviour at the lake to change, then a change to the arena itself must be made.

I don't believe I ever suggested a change.  Hang on, I go back and re-read my post. {reading, reading reading}   Nope, no where did I ask for or suggest a change.

The point was, I was surprised by the choice of fighting style after all the chest thumping about DA... DA.. DA...   Top that with the fact that it IS the DA -- I still don't understand the mindset of of that style of fight in that arena.  If it makes them happy, then rock-on, it was just unexpected and (in my opinion) humorous. 

Has the "HALO" effect so overwhelmed the game that even the DA has become 'never die at all costs'?  Have we resorted to even a "challenge" arena has become filled with those who don't want challenge?  It is a risk-reward thing.  If there is no risk, can there really be a reward?  That was all I was asking.  If that is what makes those players happy, then enjoy with my  .  May their 30 seconds of text buffer fame live on forever!  To me, no risk=no reward=no fun.  But that is just me.

 

[uptown]

The very best times to catch some good fights are in the early morning hours before all the DA "squads" log in. There will usually be 6,8 or 10 guys duking it out below 10K and some good fights can be had. It's in the evening when the place fills up that you'll see packs of guys fying together.

Shida up there is one helluva good stick and has always been pleasant and fun to fight. There are several others in there that deserve a big  too. Memes and Griff along with Tallguy comes to mind. So not all the DA regulars are bad. It just takes some time in there to figure out whos cool and who's a twit.

[Vudak]

The lake is what it is, and there's a reason many call it a kiddie pool, but at the same time, it's a great place to up a -4 and just see what she can really do. 

Besides, the players that are good in there are thinking the same thing you are.  Just call out asking if anyone wants to go have some 1v1s, and you'll usually get a response.

[warhed]

I don't believe I ever suggested a change.  Hang on, I go back and re-read my post. {reading, reading reading}   Nope, no where did I ask for or suggest a change.

The point was, I was surprised by the choice of fighting style after all the chest thumping about DA... DA.. DA...   Top that with the fact that it IS the DA -- I still don't understand the mindset of of that style of fight in that arena.  If it makes them happy, then rock-on, it was just unexpected and (in my opinion) humorous. 

Has the "HALO" effect so overwhelmed the game that even the DA has become 'never die at all costs'?  Have we resorted to even a "challenge" arena has become filled with those who don't want challenge?  It is a risk-reward thing.  If there is no risk, can there really be a reward?  That was all I was asking.  If that is what makes those players happy, then enjoy with my  .  May their 30 seconds of text buffer fame live on forever!  To me, no risk=no reward=no fun.  But that is just me.

 

All you  have to do for good fights in the DA is type out on the All channel, "Anyone want a 1v1?"
Thankfully, it is a bannable offense to jump in on a 1v1 outside of furball lake.
I have never not got a good 1v1 after asking for one.  
When people call out to DA in the main arena, they aren't referring to the furball lake, as you seem to be implying.  They are implying a fair start equal E and Alt 1v1.

[CAP1]

So, tonight, I log on with the hopes of trying out the new updates (patch 0 as correctly stated by Pyro in another thread )  Of course, the Orange Arena is over-full and the Blue is the Vagina Map.  So I figured I would go to the DA (something I never do) and mix it up there a bit hoping to improve on the ACM (which I am NOT good at).  At the very least, pass some time until I can get into the Orange Arena (hopefully to any map other than square-no water map or vagina map).

As the only action was at Furball Lake and I had not 'challenged' any one to a pre-arranged duel, I went to the furball area.  I figured I would take the opportunity to fly a bird that often does not fare well in the MAIN and have some fun learning it.  I took a P40E and flew out from the Bish mountain out over the water toward the concentration of red dots, and when I get there......  Nothing but Spit16s, Tempests, a couple picking P51, and HOing 110.  I kid you not, there was as dude (who shall remain nameless) in a Tempy floating around on high zooming in for picks. A 110 (who shall remain nameless, made 4 straight HOs on a fellow bish).   Pony's and SPit16s diving in from the stratosphere to get picks at the DA lake!   

Now, I understand, that people can take ANY plane and that the DA is a good place to learn that plane.  But floating around in near outerspace, to Zoom in and get picks in the DA accomplishes exactly what?   

The DA was truly no different than any other main arena, except that perk birds are free.   

   to the DA score potatos.  May you live forever and land your kills for a massive AceHigh Reward.  I will forever cherish your name in the DA lights!   


 

AvA for what it's worth.

 limited plane set, and no icons, but if you take the time to get used to the lack of icons, you'll do more learning there, than anywhere else, except the ta.