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Offline Oldman731

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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2010, 11:08:56 AM »
I really don't understand the logic behind defending F3 mode in any plane

The old-time bomber pilots (I'm thinking Propnut here) made a very good case that F3 mode simulated the sky-scanning value provided by the multiple crew members on such planes.  Because bombers typically aren't flown the way fighters are, the shooting advantage F3 bestows is not an issue with bombers.

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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2010, 11:10:34 AM »

Also, having F3 in a place called the dueling arena is ridiculous.  There is the TA for training if that is the reason for having it on.

F3 for fighters in the DA now that does need to go away, as far as the IL2 only way to remove the F3 is reclassify it as a fighter/ attack with no F3, like a Jug
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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2010, 11:23:28 AM »
Way to go ghi! It amazes me how many people fall for such a simple tactic. I've flown with ghi on vox many times, and I can say that he honestly doesn't care what anyone says about his tactics. I don't enjoy the same game style he does, but he's a great guy and I love watching him plug pickers/vultures as they miss their BnZ pass.     
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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2010, 11:31:58 AM »
Way to go ghi! It amazes me how many people fall for such a simple tactic. I've flown with ghi on vox many times, and I can say that he honestly doesn't care what anyone says about his tactics. I don't enjoy the same game style he does, but he's a great guy and I love watching him plug pickers/vultures as they miss their BnZ pass.     
Hes pretty bad about that too.

The old-time bomber pilots (I'm thinking Propnut here) made a very good case that F3 mode simulated the sky-scanning value provided by the multiple crew members on such planes.  Because bombers typically aren't flown the way fighters are, the shooting advantage F3 bestows is not an issue with bombers.

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Theres a big difference between a B17s crew and the 2 guys in the Il2. OP was talking about snapshots which the rear gunner wouldn't help with, your point is good for the larger bombers but the smaller ones should only have the 6 O clock view(SBD, A20, IL2, B5N)
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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2010, 11:40:16 AM »
If your shooting from the pilots position, you should be IN the pilots position.

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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2010, 11:53:19 AM »
If your shooting from the pilots position, you should be IN the pilots position.
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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2010, 11:57:33 AM »
If your shooting from the pilots position, you should be IN the pilots position.

Yup ... very simple ... in F3 ... no guns can fire.
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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2010, 12:00:14 PM »

PS.. Ackack, you used to fly with 7Son, whatever happened to him?  He didn't migrate here did he?

He came over during the Exodus but real life popped in and he was no longer able to fly.  Sadly, I've lost touch with him over the years.

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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2010, 12:31:35 PM »
Way to go ghi! It amazes me how many people fall for such a simple tactic. I've flown with ghi on vox many times, and I can say that he honestly doesn't care what anyone says about his tactics. I don't enjoy the same game style he does, but he's a great guy and I love watching him plug pickers/vultures as they miss their BnZ pass.     

It's not the tactic, it's the execution. In F3 mode he has full command of the plane the ability to watch incoming bandits/tracers and take evasive action, something he can't do from the pilot seat and which gives this plane much greater defensive capability, hense survivablity, than this plane would actually possess do to it very poor rear visibility.  The iL-2 is an excellent turning plane at low speeds which can generate a lot of high deflections shots. Making most of those shots impossible, is the fact that you can't see the bandit or your tracers because they are below the nose. F3 mode allows for target tracking and shot correction in a common situation where neither should be possible.

So F3 mode changes the offensive and defensive abilities of the iL-2 in a away that is not consistent with the game principles.

This isn;t about Ghi, I have no problem with him doing it if it's part of the game. But I think from the replies on the board, many like me did not undertand that iL-2 could be flow from F3 mode hense it isn;t taken into account when attacking the plane. And while many will now be educated, simply knowing about it is no excuse for leaving it in the game.


Ghi is nice guy and very fine stick who has demonstrated his skill, game knowlege, and creativity by understanding how F3 mode could make an iL-2 a stealthy killer. But I think, he's had his fun, and this F3 mode oversight should be fixed.

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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2010, 12:41:55 PM »
I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better  from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.

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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2010, 12:48:52 PM »
I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better  from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.

HiTech

That part of the whine is bs..  However, evading in F3 mode, and then switching to F1 mode as the enemy overshoots is an incredible advantage.  I kind of liked the idea of a time delay on the mode switch, but at the end of the day, IL2s and A20s are fighting at disadvantage anyways, so giving them a gamey "mode switch" advantage isn't that big of a deal.

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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2010, 12:51:32 PM »
All these vulchers want GHI shut down.  Period.
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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2010, 01:02:21 PM »
All these vulchers want GHI shut down.  Period.

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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2010, 01:03:17 PM »
I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better  from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.

HiTech

What Grizz said..
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That part of the whine is bs..  However, evading in F3 mode, and then switching to F1 mode as the enemy overshoots is an incredible advantage.

And...

HiTech are you asking because you are curious, or because you reject that F3 mode in an iL-2 should be removed?
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Re: Another whine thread
« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2010, 01:05:18 PM »
All these vulchers want GHI shut down.  Period.

Not a vulcher never have been. why try to read between the lines, when the actual lines written explain things in perfect clarity.  :noid
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