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Offline bashwolf

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« on: April 16, 2001, 07:52:00 PM »
Hiya bloom and all,

I am going to order parts to make my own PC.  The problem I am having is that I like to buy most of my parts from one or two venders.  Yes i have checked prices at www.pricewatch.com  and few others.  It seems that parts i want doesnt carry by one or 2 venders.  Already know where to get the memory from www.crucial.com

here are my specs:

-A7v133 kt133a MB
-Amd thunderbird 1.2 or 1.33 Gig
-256mb DDR crucial memory.
-Geforce 2 GTS or Ultra
-IBM 60 Gig 75GXP HD
-Live! value (soundcard)
-External (serial)56k Supra Express v90 modem
-SX830 Workstation Tower
-heatsink i am not sure what i want to buy (bloom you have recommend one from Germany but i dotn understand German so dont know how to order or how long it will take.)  I  Really need soem help on this one.
-Win98se
-cdrw and CD player i transfering from old my system as well as my sound system by labtec.

Anythign there you see that i should change please do receommend.

So again if you guys know which site to buy most of these stuff for a good price.  five dollar plus or mins dont matter to me.

Thank You.

Bash


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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2001, 08:58:00 PM »
I know folks are tired of me posting the some old links.....however, this information is priceless:

Here are the links when I asked the same questions:

Building my first PC
Building my first PC..Part2

BTW: I love the Supra modem...I live in the sticks and it improved my conections by 30% over my high dollar PCI modem.

Look at the information about setting up the BIOS. The hints from Bloom and the other folks REALLY work. Be sure to update your Win 98SE before you start adding the drivers. Plus, install the sound card last....trust me on this...I worked too fast on my first setup and had to "C:format" !  

6 weeks ago I was the type of person computer shops loved....I would ask them to reformat my HD and pay $60 for them to do it. =O (almost funny now)

One more thing, spend the few dollars and get (2) 80mm fans for the front of the SX-830.

As far a build computers...I'm just a one trick pony. Your setup looks great. Need help?...email me and will be happly to help.   (While it's fresh in my mind)

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2001, 09:07:00 PM »
Almost forgot this:
Worth the peace of mind

When I installed my Alpha heatsink, I used a wooden chopstick with a small (Moto tool cut) on the end for a better grip. Sure beats using a screwdriver. I'm on my way to work...if you want a JPG of the chopstick, let me know.

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2001, 10:17:00 PM »
I use www.tccomputers.com   They are pretty good and found most the things I wanted there.  Last computer 2 computers I built I held it to 2 wholesalers to keep the shipping cost down.

gluck sounds like a kickass system bro!

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Also I have had and my brother has the USR serial external 56k modem. Extremely stable.  Our ISP uses 3com(usr) modem pools and using another brand modem really makes a difference.  My usr modem got hit by lightening last july. In a pinch I bought an Aopen 56k modem and can tell a difference in stability and connection speed.  Find out what your ISP uses for the modem pool and see if you can match it with the same brand on your machine.

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2001, 10:21:00 PM »
Get a Radion 64 DDR insted, it outperformed the Geforce 2 in everything accpet quake 3.

and its cheap.

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2001, 10:36:00 PM »
I like  http://www.1steweb.net
and  http://www.pcboost.com

I think you will find most/all of what you want from those 2 sites.
If you don't see it on 1steweb, send them an email...They move so fast their web-progs can't keep up.  
Also, I know they will cut you a shipping deal where ever they can.

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2001, 11:55:00 PM »
Bashwolf: Asus A7V133A is not DDR compatable, it's based on KT133A chipset and thus uses 133FSB SDRAM. Thats the first mistake.. If you want to build a DDR system, you have to take A7A266 for example. I'd also consider going Abit way for ease of use.

Secondly: IBM 75GXP hd's have had big reliability problems (mainly on the 30gig model) but still..

The new 60GXP is quiet, more reliable due to revamped design (75 used 3 discs) and as fast so I'd go for that one

For heatsink I could reckommend either the new Thermaltake Volcano II or the loud but effective Alpha PEP series. Take into notice that the Alpha is LOUD.. Like blowing a hairdryer inside your case.

Or if you want to push the limits, waterblock cooling is the silent and effective way though only for the extreme overclocker - one leak will kill the system.
Of course if done right it will not leak..

Make sure your new tower has at least 300W power supply.

That's for starters, others correct me where I'm wrong.

Cheers!

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2001, 11:55:00 AM »
Looks like a lot has already been answered.

1.  I prefer a GF2 over the Radeon.  Only at very high resolutions does the Radeon approach the level of performance of the Gf2.  (Get a Gf2 gts, pro, or ultra.  The Mx are getting kinda slow now.)

2.  As for the DDR ram, don't worry to much about this yet.  Current performance benchmarks are showing only a maximum of 5% or so improvement.  The a7v133 uses the kt133a chipset, and thus pc133 sdram.  DO NOT buy the a7a266, that uses an Ali chipset, which is probably the worst POS (piece of silicon   ) ever slapped onto a MB.  If you really want DDR, go with the a7m266.  This uses the AMD 760 chipset.  Personally I would wait, as DDR ram carries extra expense without real performance gains.  Check out www.anandtech.com  and www.tomshardware.com  to see what I'm talking about.  Specifically the benchmark parts of these two: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1451&p=1
 http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q2/010416/index.html

I'll let you decide what you want to do, but personally DDR currently seems a waste of money really.  You MUST have a 133 MHz FSB type Athlon to even get equal performance to the pc133 sdram kt133 in many cases!  Notice that on the ALI Magik 1 in particular if the DDR ram is at 1600 speeds it actually performs worse than pc100 sdram.  

3.  Heatsinks:  I'm not exactly recommending that one from Germany, I just think it is pretty neat.    Go here: http://www4.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q1/010306/cooler-01.html  if you want to learn more about it.  http://www.noisecontrol.de./international/oversea/eng_info_page.htm  this is the small english part of their page.

If the price of this one scares you (it should, and I'd really only consider it for overclocking) then you might try finding one called the "thermoengine" many people have had good luck with it.  I believe www.coolerguys.com  is a major heatsink retailer.  The volcano 2 isn't bad and is pretty quiet.  If noise is a concern, most of these heatsinks with the "black label" Delta fan ARE NOT FOR YOU!    Unless you like the sound of a jet engine taking off.  

Your other choices look very good.  As said above, read the other posts and install your soundcard last.  Mainly you'll want to install the via 4-in-1 4.29s right after you get Windows installed.  They can be downloaded from www.viahardware.com  .  Since they are probably a zip file, unzip them and burn them to a cd on your old computer, since you have a burner.  There will be 4 drivers .exe files that get unzipped.  Some of those will also extract themselves.  If they do, just find the setup file and run it.  The 2 most important drivers are the .inf and agp drivers.  The busmaster really isn't neccesary if you just check dma in device manager for your drives.  That said, it doesn't hurt to install all 4 of them.

Feel free to ask more questions.  

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2001, 12:00:00 PM »
Hmm, BBS seems broken.  I can't edit my post, since the a7v133 is kt133a not kt133 chipset.  (The difference being official support for 133 Mhz fsb and the b version southbridge that supports ATA100.)



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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2001, 08:10:00 PM »
ok here it is

-ABIT KT7 133a (what you think?)
-Athlon AMD 1.33 Gig
-256 sdram (not what brand I should get) Oh it has to be 133 correct??

-heatsink thermoengine turbo 7000 rpm fan
-Antec SX830 Case
-Geforce2 Ultra
-Win2000
-IBM 60GXP HD
-live! value sound card
-Mouse & keybaord being used from old system as well as CDrw
-What Cd player you guys recommend too.

How is that?? man for a newbie am getting lost lol.  So many things out there and dont know which to buy.  I will stick Abit for MB because of easy setup.

So am I missing anything?? Just tell me what kind of RAm i need than I should be set lol.  Ordering as soon I get input on these.

Thx again for your comments n suggestions.

Bash  

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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2001, 11:51:00 PM »
Looks pretty good, though your heatsink and fan will be very loud with a 7k rpm fan.  If you plan on overclocking, then thats ok.  If not, maybe the stock fan would be ok.

I personally prefer the Asus a7v133, it performs better than the abit and they are of better quality.  The abit may perhaps be a little bit easier to overclock though.  Both are good boards, you can't really lose with either.

Go to www.crucial.com  and get 256 MB of CAS2 pc 133 ram.  That will do the trick!  


If by CD player you mean CD rom drive, you can't go wrong with Toshiba CD drives.  If those aren't available, plextor are good too.




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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2001, 01:07:00 AM »
Bloom: Thanks for correcting my mistake, now that I recall, I've read horrible reviews relating to the ali chipset. 761 is definately the choice for DDR..

What goes for Toshiba cd-rom drives, I had pretty bad problems with my 40x toshiba. It absolutely sucked with all cd-r discs. It did read them, but after searching for 20-30 seconds for the track.. Which was weird since it's supposed to be good  

I don't know what drive Compaq uses, but the one that I borrowed   from a full-scsi transformed workstation works like a dream. Toughly built and 50x speed.. You have any idea which brand they use Bloom?

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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2001, 09:01:00 AM »
 
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Mouse & keybaord being used from old system as well as CDrw
I'd recommend spending few extra bucks and getting MS wheel mouse with intelly-eye (sp?). It comes in USB/PS2 guise (you can use either) and it's bleeding fabulous - no more cleaning the ball, mousemat nonsense etc

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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »
A word about ease of setup:
My A7V133 was very easy to set up, and since the clock/multiplier are controled by the bios, overclocking would be quite easy (though I don't see the need).

Also, I am using the Volcano II cooler on my Duron 750.  I am not sure, but I would figure a 1.33 Athlon to run a bit warmer.
Currently, my mobo monitor says that I am averaging 40°C in heavy game use at 70°F Room temp.
So, I like your choice to go with the ThermoEngine Turbo. From what I have read, the heat transfer of their "Tape" is quite a bit better than most, and nullifies the consideration of paste.

You may also want to take a look at the case which I talked about in another thread in this area of the BBS.  Much better price than the Antec.

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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2001, 04:30:00 PM »
If it were me, I'd get the stock black Thermoengine, scrape off the thermal pad, and apply a small amount of Artic Silver 2 to the CPU die.

I don't know about the cd drive MrSid, personally I've never had a problem with a Toshiba 6xxx series CD drive.  I don't know what brand is in Compaqs, but personally my experience with Compaq leads me to believe it was the absolute cheapest one they could get at that time.  (*Cough*, memorex, *cough*.   )  Maybe you had a dud....



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