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Offline Gtoraii

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« on: September 04, 2001, 01:27:00 PM »
Guys
 I hope this has not been covered before, but I am new to AH, and am wondering what are the strengths and weaknesses of each plane. Not the historic ones but the AH high strengths and weaknesses.

A6M5b : good handling, but slow, and not very tough.

Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-10
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
C.202
C.205
F4U-1C
F4U-1D: Good speed, good flaps? And good instant turn?  Good dive? Good zoom?
F6F-5
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Ki-61-I-KAIc
La-5FN
La-7
N1K2-J
P-38L
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B : good speed, and range  
P51D Mustang : same as B?  What are the differences other then the bubble top?
Seafire IIC
Spitfire MkIX
Spitfire V
Ta 152H
Tempest V
Typhoon
Yak-9T
Yak-9U

I know there are charts, but that really does not say much other then the climb and speeds.

Hope I do not come off as a dweeb deluxe lol  :)

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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2001, 01:49:00 PM »
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Guys
 I hope this has not been covered before, but I am new to AH, and am wondering what are the strengths and weaknesses of each plane. Not the historic ones but the AH high strengths and weaknesses.

A6M5b : good handling, but slow, and not very tough. *by the way, the zero IS tough*
-dogmeat for a N1K2, La7, P51D.  Has a good chance against a Spit.

Bf 109F-4- Best turning of any 109. Dogmeat for a La7, Spit, N1K2.  Has a decent chance against a P51D if the runstang driver is stupid.
Bf 109G-10- Worst turner of the 109s, fastest and best climbing 109.  Dogmeat for an La7, dogmeat for a N1K2 unless you run.  Good chance against a P51D and Spit.
Bf 109G-2- Best all around performer of the 109s.  Turns slightly worse than the F4, is slower than the G10.  Dogmeat for a N1K2.  Good chance against an La7, P51, or Spit.
Bf 109G-6 - Worst all around performer of the 109s.  Turns slightly better than a G10, is slightly slower than a G2.  Dogmeat for a N1K2, good chance against a P51, Spit.  Bout a 50/50 vs. La7.
C.202 - Decent turning, pathetic guns.  Dogmeat against any one of the "big 4"
C.205 - Slightly worse turning than a 202, better guns.  Still dogmeat against any of the "big 4".
F4U-1C - Decent speed, good diving.  Best guns in the game, pretty much the great equalizer against any faults the plane has.
F4U-1D: Good speed, good flaps? And good instant turn?  Good dive? Good zoom?
- Decent speed, good diving.  Guns are so-so, turning is so-so.  Ask Lazs about this one, it is his ride.  In my opinion dogmeat vs the N1K2, La7, P51.  Good chance vs. a Spit.
F6F-5 -  Best turning U.S. plane.  Good dive, slow level speed.  Dogmeat for La7, N1K2, P51.  Good chance vs. a Spit.
Fw 190A-5 - Best turning 190, best overall performing 190 in my opinion.  Dogmeat for a N1K2.  Good chance against an La7, P51, Spit.
Fw 190A-8 - Best guns of the 190s, worst performance.  Turns rather like a brick.  Dogmeat for the Big 4.
Fw 190D-9 - Fastest 190.  Turns like an A8.  Dogmeat for an La7, good chance vs N1K2, Spit, P51.
Fw 190F-8 - worthless.
Ki-61-I-KAIc - Good turning, good dive.  Poor performance at high alts (not that it matters in the MA).  Good guns.  Dogmeat for a N1K2, La7, prolly P51.  Good chance vs. Spits.
La-5FN - Good plane overall.  Turns better than the La7, is slower.  Decent chance vs. the Big 4.
La-7 - Best "energy-fighter" in the game.  Fastest plane on the deck, outturns the other "energy fighters".  Good chance vs. the N1K2, P51D, Spit.  
N1K2-J - best overall performer in the game.  3rd best turner (after the spit and zero).  Good acceleration, dive, climb.  Slow level speed.  4 cannons with 900 rounds of ammo make for lots of spray and pray.  Dogmeat for a well flown La7, P51.  Good chance vs. Spit.
P-38L -  Average performance.  Dogmeat for an La7, N1K2, P51.  Decent chance vs. a Spit.
P-47D-11 - Average performance, good diving.  Dogmeat for an La7, N1K2.  Good chance vs P51, Spit.  8 .50s is nice, lotta ammo to.
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B : good speed, and range
- Better turner than the D, 4 .50s isn't much of a punch.
P51D Mustang : - 3rd fastest plane on the deck.  Decent acceleration, good dive.  Poor turning.  Dogmeat for an La7.  Good chance against Spit and N1K2 provided you don't turn with them.
Seafire IIC - See the SpitV.
Spitfire MkIX - Good turning, 2 x20mm cannon.  Dogmeat for an La7, P51.  Decent chance against a N1K2 provided he is stupid.
Spitfire V - Better turning than the MkIX, slower.  Same loadout with cannons.  Dogmeat for the La7, N1K2, P51.  Good chance vs the MkIX.
Ta 152H - worthless perk plane
Tempest V- excellent perk plane.  Actually the fastest plane in the game right now, on the deck.  4x20mm cannon, good climb.  Decent turning.  Good chance vs the big 4.
Typhoon - Toned down Tempest.  Poor turning, still fast on the deck.  Good guns, not much ammo for them.  Dogmeat for an La7.  Good chance vs N1K2, Spit, P51.
Yak-9T- 1 Mg and 1 cannon with 30 rounds.  Turns worse than the 9U, slower than the 9U.  Dogmeat for the Big 4.
Yak-9U - Good turning, good speed.  Good climb.  Stacks up well against La7, P51d, Spit, N1K2.  Not much ammo for the 2 Mgs or 1 cannon.

I know there are charts, but that really does not say much other then the climb and speeds.

Hope I do not come off as a dweeb deluxe lol   :)

I can fill in the performance relative to the most popular planes in the MA.

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2001, 02:04:00 PM »
<S> Gtoraii. I hope you can weed thru all those that respond with their "opinions". Some folks have an agenda. I won't make your search any more difficult by throwing in more muck.

Good luck  :)

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2001, 02:54:00 PM »
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A6M5b : excellent turn rate, poor high speed performance, good climb and accel. Low max. speed.Decent gun package.

Bf 109F-4 : Best turning 109. As in all 109's controls get very sluggish at high speeds. Good gun package (you can add gondolas too!).
Bf 109G-10 : Incredible climb rate, excellent gun package, poor turn ability. Strict E-fighter.
Bf 109G-2 : an F-4 with better engine and finnish markings.
Bf 109G-6 : a G-2 with more powerful engine, turn ability decreased.
C.202 : excellent manouverability, extremely poor guns, not so great accel, but dives good, good high speed handling, retains E decently.
C.205 : a 202 with 2 cannons.
F4U-1C : see f4u-D , but with incredible firepower. perked.
F4U-1D: not so great accel or climb, good dive and zoom capablities, handles well at high speed, death trap at slow speeds, great roll rate, turns well.
F6F-5 : I consider it an F4U that drank its milk and cookies. eats a lot of lead, nasty spin (bug?), excellent dive and turn rate.
Fw 190A-5 :dont fly 190's much, amazing roll rate, dive and E-retention, most 190's have poor zoom except for the d-9.
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9 : Poor guns (bug?), excellent accel and zoom rate, as in all 190's roll rate is amazing.
Fw 190F-8 : ground attack version of 190. Heavy as hell, but it packs a whallop!
Ki-61-I-KAIc : a 109 f-4 with poor accel and is working its hardest to be like a zeke. Great guns, not much ammo.
La-5FN :an la7 with a much less powerful engine
La-7 : Monster engine, great climb and zoom rate, good turn, roll and dive characteristics.
N1K2-J : pass
P-38L : Best climb rate of US planeset, good zoom rate, good initial dive accel, good high speed handling...until you compress (430 or so mph). Loses E rapidly, very fragile. Excellent visibility and gun package. excellent performance above 20k, poor roll rate, at slow speeds it can be a turnfighter with the use of flaps.
P-47D-11 : all jugs dive and zoom great, suck at slow speed. Strictly E-fighters. d-11 is the best turner of the jug bunch.
P-47D-25 : same as d-30 but has more ordenance options and dive flaps.
P-47D-30 : dive and zoom, repeat till lightly brown. very survivable.
P-51B : poor view, 4 .50 cals, fastest pony 'cause its lighter. Poor 6 view.
P51D Mustang : same as B, but with excellent visibility and 6 gun package option
Seafire IIC : turn turn turn turn, poor accel, decent guns, poorest perfoming spit. Carrier borne.
Spitfire MkIX : good e-retention, like all spits, has excellent turn rate, decent climb and good dive speeds.
Spitfire V : a spit 9 with less powerfull engine and guns.
Ta 152H : 190d9 with an engine on steroids, but only above 20k. Perked.
Tempest V :Tiffie on steroids. Perked.
Typhoon : incredible speed, dive and zoom below 15k. Poor turn and roll rate. E-fighter. Good gun package.
Yak-9T : heavier, slower yak9U with a BIG bad cannon. Tank-killer.
Yak-9U : very nimble, fast, excellent high speed handling, great dive and zoom and climb rates. Poor ammo load. good visibility. Overall, a great plane

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2001, 03:16:00 PM »
I guess you don't like the La-7, Urchin?  ;)

Dora is dogmeat to the La-7? I guess it depends who flies the Dora - there are some really good pilots out there.
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2001, 04:59:00 PM »
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N1K2-J : pass

Now THAT had to take some restraint!   :D


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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2001, 06:08:00 PM »
Gtoraii

You will be hard pressed to get an impartial response to this thread.
You have also asked us to think...

Anyways, with very few exceptions I think the aircraft in AH come pretty close to reality.
my quick take:

Japanese planes: good turners, not all that fast, not very durable

USN planes:  Durable, not great climbers, decent guns. F4u good roll and dive, decent speed. F6 best stallfighter of the USN, good dive, not all that fast.

brain hurts...
others can fill in the gaps if they wish +)


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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2001, 06:47:00 PM »
Dowding, I'm no expert on the LA7, or the Dora.  When I flew the Dora, the LA7 was the only plane out there that could really smack a Dora around.  Under 7k or so, the La7 is faster, accelerates better, climbs better, and turns better.  The planes dive at about the same rate, but you can only dive so far, and the LA7 is going to catch you in the end.

If you can get an LA7 to stay above 10k while you boom and zoom, you can kill one pretty easy in a Dora or a G10.  Doesn't happen very often.

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2001, 06:59:00 PM »
I only really know about the F6F.  I would hardly call it dogmeat for the La7 and Pony.  Niki can be trouble at times as well.  No plane, at least fighters, is really dogmeat for any plane if they are flown to its strengths.  For instance, a lot of people seem to think that the 202 is meat on the table.  I can't fight them at all.  Just opinions and experiences.

What I like about the F6F is its ability to take a hit and keep on going.  It has an excellent dive.  What makes the dive very good, IMO, is the ability for the plane to hold its speed.  It doesn't roll as well as other planes, but it drops its speed very fast when you want it.  At about 225-250, it is one of the best turners in the game.  The guns are awesome (50's, 'nuff said  :)).  It is a bit on the slow side, but that can be overcome with alt and its dive characteristics.  It carries a decent load.  The only thing that I hate about it is its stall, though that was mentioned by Pyro that it is getting fixed for 1.08.

When I am flying the Kitty, the only planes that scare me bad are high N1k's and Spits.  Co-alt and lower, a lot of people believe too much of the hype about those planes.  La7's are not easy, but they are not terribly difficult.  1v1, the F6F can do some magical stuff.  It is tough to fight effectively when outnumbered by higher cons, but that goes with most, if not all, planes.

Oh well, just my experience with the plane.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2001, 09:52:00 PM »
hehe SOB, not really. Im just waiting to see how it will turn out in 1.08. If it aint changed ill spend all my perkies in me262 hunting those bastiges.

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2001, 10:17:00 PM »
P51D Mustang (in AH Main arena)

Strengths: Fast, good roll rate, good energy retention, excellent dive, stunning initial turn. It's a responsive, forgiving and competent airplane thru the entire speed range, making it an excellent "ace maker". Six gun package can kill quickly at convergance, overall a decent gun platform, stable right to the stall.

Weakness: Fragile tail, radiator, engine and wings.. cannon fodder before the second cannon ping. Lousy sustained turn. Poor acceleration, marginal climber. Equipped with the 'original AH one ping powerplant', it's a poor airplane to be caught at a numerical disadvantage with.

The P51D is AH's best hunter killer particularly when employed with a competent wingman or used in section wing section tactics like "air superiority" or "sweep" roles. One of very few planes in the sim capable of leaving a fight when the angles advantage is lost... earning it the 'runstang' moniker.

A smart pony pilot is almost untouchable, but as a result, is often pretty bored.

The dum ones have a lot more fun, but walk home alot.

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2001, 10:25:00 PM »
Hang just about covered it... I couldn't believe it when I wore out 3 pairs of boots in the 1st month......


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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2001, 05:09:00 AM »
190A5

Superb roll rate. Good initial climb rate, but mediocre above 7-10k. Good initial turn rate, but bleeds e faster than most other planes. Handles pretty well at low speeds, although stalls aren't gentle and come up abruptly. Excellent elevator authority at all speeds; although excessive use of elevators at low speeds will result in a quick drop of a wing: pulling up from dives at low speeds is hazardous to say the least.

Not very fast, but good acceleration down low. Hi alt performance is very bad. Gun package is excellent with 4*20mm, although the ballistics leave some to be desired. A bit bouncy as a gun platform. General trim characteristics are excellent. Suffers from 1 ping engine dead bug. Will be outturned by just about anything in a sustained turn fight, including P47's and Typhoons. Not very good at hanging on the prop or keeping the nose up for low speed shots. Zoom climb is decent.

A8 is like a heavy A5, that's faster and packs a greater punch and turns even worse. Other characteristics are similar: one just needs to be a tad bit more observant about the speed and, as in the A5, keep it above 300 as much as possible.

190F8 is the LW jabo bird - supposedly an improvement to the æprevious LW birds. In actuality it isn't. It can take an additioal 4 50kg bombs, which will only kill ground vehicles with any regularity if dropped in pairs and if they hit *directly* on the target. Even then it's not guaranteed. The A8, with its awesome cannon package, has more bang for the buck, is more maneuverable, accelerates and climbs faster and overall is just better at the JABO role.

D9 is the hunstang. You die in this plane only if you lose SA - it's so fast that you'll forget basic ACM if you fly it too much; nose down, speed up, run and yer home safe. handles like an A8, but with much better speed, acceleration and very good zoom climbs. Gun package is a bit odd however; it seems to dffer from the other 190s. I personally have a very hard time hitting anything from dead 6 in the d9.

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2001, 07:53:00 AM »
Dowding, below 15k La-7 is superior to D9 in every single factor, except roll rate at medium and lo speeds. For same skill pilots in a D9 vs La7 duel, the D9 have little or no chance. And our actual arena is a low levelfighting one, where La7 has no rival.

Gtoraii, about D9, imagine it as the best match to the P51D, P51 outturns and outzooms the Fw, but the D9 outaccelerates and outrolls the P51 (only for slow and medium speeds). Almost same diving characteristics for both and better substained climb for the Dora. The main problem with D9 is aiming with it. The best way to hit is to aim where you think you "logically" will never hit the target (it works!!  ;) ). At this point, the advantage is for P51 with very precisse and long range weapons.

Above 25k, the advantage in performance is for P51D.

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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2001, 10:04:00 AM »
WOW thanks guys!  :D  This is great stuff!  keep it coming!