P47-C and MiG-3

[Seadog36]

The P-47C was not significantly different performance wise from the D-11 and the D-11 well represents the early 47s in MW. The only primary changes was an 8" extension of the fuselage aft of the firewall for engine access, addition of a reinforced belly shackle extension and the incorporation of water injection in the throttle quadrant. The C also falls solidly in the MW arena not EW where it would have a more significant impact and be more interesting in the game.

I am always for more Thunderbolts though, the addition of the D-22/23 with the paddle blade props, more hp and under wing pylons has the most merit, especially because it was one of the most produced variants of the entire war.

 

Seadog36

[Tyrannis]

usually when i see a D11 i expect a better pilot than usual... Most people underestimate the P47D models and severely underestimate the D11. I've flown the D11 and i must say ive had some great luck with it over the D25 and D40 models.

the biggest advantage EW birds have flying in LW is suprise. most(but not all) pilots underestimate an early war bird when they see them. they'l look at the EW birds as "easy kills" and therefore treat them as such, giving the EW bird a few precious moments to pull off that "omgwtf?!!?!?!? " move they need to to get a kill. i love flying the p39 and p40 in LW. every plane i come across gets sloppy when taking them on, they forget how good of a turner both planes can be. my most memorable one was shooting down a k4 in a p40 because i was able to drag him down to the deck in a turning fight.

[skorpion]

I see how early war birds can do some wicked manuvers that some of the latewar birds cant. for example the F4F-4 can out-turn a F4U-4 but it cant run along side it. Also the P47-C-1 was almost exactly the same as the D-11 as seadog said but in every other way it could be out-classed by the latewar birds. Either way it would be cool to see something other than p38's and spits in the midwar

[RTHolmes]

D11 is available in MW isnt it?

[oakranger]

D11 is available in MW isnt it?

yes it is.

[321BAR]

D11 is available in MW isnt it?

D23

[Rebel]

The P47C-5 is a hangar queen.  It'd only be used for scenarios, and unless you stayed above 25,000 feet, It wouldn't fare very well. 

I am currently VERY happy with the Jug breeds we have in the stable, however if one *could* be added, I'd ask for anything  D-15 through D-23.  These would be the razorbacks with paddle blades and plumbed hard points on the wings for ord/drop tanks. 

With the lower weight of the razorbacks, and the improved climb rate and acceleration of the paddle, and the capability to effectively Jabo, these would be the razorbacks for the Main Arena.

[Seadog36]

I am currently VERY happy with the Jug breeds we have in the stable, however if one *could* (SHOULD) be added, I'd ask for anything  D-15 through D-23.  These would be the razorbacks with paddle blades and plumbed hard points on the wings for ord/drop tanks. 

With the lower weight of the razorbacks, and the improved climb rate and acceleration of the paddle, and the capability to effectively Jabo, these would be the razorbacks for the Main Arena.

+1

[fbWldcat]

I am asking for the p47c-1..probably shoulda pointed it out.
Also who would fly such an early war plane in the latewar? its outclassed by almost everything in there...

Well, you see, some people don't shoot for what is easy; they go for what is difficult. I fly EW planes all the time, and LW planes that are difficult to master as well. Perspective, my dear Watson.

[Ack-Ack]

they'l look at the EW birds as "easy kills"

Because against a mid-war or late-war plane, the early war rides are easy kills.

ack-ack

[skorpion]

Because against a mid-war or late-war plane, the early war rides are easy kills.

ack-ack

Id argue that they are easy kills. I have done some insane stuff in an early bird that a latewar plane cant do. 

[Tyrannis]

Because against a mid-war or late-war plane, the early war rides are easy kills.

ack-ack

no, some early war birds can hold there own pretty good against late war birds in the right situations.

like the p39 p40 b25s zeros and a few spits. the hurricane aswell.

[Ack-Ack]

no, some early war birds can hold there own pretty good against late war birds in the right situations.

like the p39 p40 b25s zeros and a few spits. the hurricane aswell.

B-25 holds up against a late war fighter?  sorry but that alone lets me know you really have no clue.

Id argue that they are easy kills. I have done some insane stuff in an early bird that a latewar plane cant do. 

Argue all you want but a P-39 will be outmatched by a mid/late war plane flown by a pilot of equal skill.  Same goes for the P-40, Hurrricane I and II, A6M2, Spitfire I, etc.  For example, a P-38J will dominate each of those planes you mentioned.

That's not to say that an early war plane can surprise and shoot down a mid/late war plane but if you look at those instances one of few things will have happened.  1) the EW plane bounced (with superior altitude and energy advantage) an unweary target 2) the EW plane cherry picked the other plane while it was already enaged 3) the EW pilot got lucky and encountered a player that lacked the skill and abilities to fly and fight in his plane properly or 4) the player in the mid/late war plane grew impatient and got a case of the stupids and tried to fight the EW plane's fight.


ack-ack

[skorpion]

B-25 holds up against a late war fighter?  sorry but that alone lets me know you really have no clue.

Argue all you want but a P-39 will be outmatched by a mid/late war plane flown by a pilot of equal skill.  Same goes for the P-40, Hurrricane I and II, A6M2, Spitfire I, etc.  For example, a P-38J will dominate each of those planes you mentioned.

That's not to say that an early war plane can surprise and shoot down a mid/late war plane but if you look at those instances one of few things will have happened.  1) the EW plane bounced (with superior altitude and energy advantage) an unweary target 2) the EW plane cherry picked the other plane while it was already enaged 3) the EW pilot got lucky and encountered a player that lacked the skill and abilities to fly and fight in his plane properly or 4) the player in the mid/late war plane grew impatient and got a case of the stupids and tried to fight the EW plane's fight.


ack-ack

you realize that none of these factors count when he knows your there, has good skill, doesnt get a case of the stupids when impatience takes place and lastly...it boils down to the skill of the guy flying the early bird. what im saying is that an early war plane can kill the latewar plane easily because of the advantages in the PLANE not the pilot.

[Ack-Ack]

you realize that none of these factors count when he knows your there, has good skill, doesnt get a case of the stupids when impatience takes place and lastly...it boils down to the skill of the guy flying the early bird. what im saying is that an early war plane can kill the latewar plane easily because of the advantages in the PLANE not the pilot.

And you're wrong.  We can arrange some duels, you in any early war plane and me in the mid-war P-38J and I'll show you how easy it is for a mid-war plane like the P-38J to dominate any early war plane you choose to fly.

Like I said, pilots being equal the early war plane will die.  Pilots of an unequal level (better pilot in the EW plane) and then the EW plane will have a better chance of success against the late war plane as the pilot can take advantage of the late war pilot's lack of skill and experience.


ack-ack