P47-C and MiG-3

[Tyrannis]

B-25 holds up against a late war fighter?  sorry but that alone lets me know you really have no clue.

Argue all you want but a P-39 will be outmatched by a mid/late war plane flown by a pilot of equal skill.  Same goes for the P-40, Hurrricane I and II, A6M2, Spitfire I, etc.  For example, a P-38J will dominate each of those planes you mentioned.

That's not to say that an early war plane can surprise and shoot down a mid/late war plane but if you look at those instances one of few things will have happened.  1) the EW plane bounced (with superior altitude and energy advantage) an unweary target 2) the EW plane cherry picked the other plane while it was already enaged 3) the EW pilot got lucky and encountered a player that lacked the skill and abilities to fly and fight in his plane properly or 4) the player in the mid/late war plane grew impatient and got a case of the stupids and tried to fight the EW plane's fight.


ack-ack

LOL.....

youve obviously never come across me in late war flying b25s.

as long as the LW fighter isent a dweeb and hides under the belly, those 6 .50cals max on the top turrets will rip a plane to shreds. you can tilt the bomber for a shot to make up for no tail gunner.

[Ack-Ack]

LOL.....

youve obviously never come across me in late war flying b25s.

You're not kingcobradude are you?  He's the last guy that made that same comment to me, much to his woe.

ack-ack

[fbWldcat]

You're not kingcobradude are you?  He's the last guy that made that same comment to me, much to his woe.

ack-ack

 

Ack-Ack, I think it is your luck to attract teh uber B-25 noobs.

[skorpion]

And you're wrong.  We can arrange some duels, you in any early war plane and me in the mid-war P-38J and I'll show you how easy it is for a mid-war plane like the P-38J to dominate any early war plane you choose to fly.

Like I said, pilots being equal the early war plane will die.  Pilots of an unequal level (better pilot in the EW plane) and then the EW plane will have a better chance of success against the late war plane as the pilot can take advantage of the late war pilot's lack of skill and experience.


ack-ack

its not as easy as you think. hopping in a p38 then instantly killing an early war plane isnt as simple as you think. by the way i never said I could do it but i know plenty of people that could because i havent been playing all that long. Im saying its the pilot...not the plane that matters here because some a6m2 dweeb could kill a f4u4 dweeb if he tried.

[Ack-Ack]

its not as easy as you think. hopping in a p38 then instantly killing an early war plane isnt as simple as you think.

It is as easy as I've said it is.  Unless I do something really, really stupid (which is very unlikely to happen) an early war plane isn't going to make me sweat.


ack-ack

[Plawranc]

It is as easy as I've said it is.  Unless I do something really, really stupid (which is very unlikely to happen) an early war plane isn't going to make me sweat.


ack-ack

Thats not ego I see is it?

[Debrody]

Akak is right. True, most of the early war birds can outturn late war birds, but cant kill them unless the late war pilot wants to get killed. This requires ultimate stupidity. For example, if you are in a pony, you dont want to turnfight with a spit 1, right? Dear Skorpion, the ACM is not all about turn rates...

Look, im a g-6 pilot, which isnt an early, but a mid-war ride. Unless i have superior energy over my late war (faster) opponent, i always have to be as tricky as i can, appear a nooblet etc. not to scare them to run away, climb and kill me in the BnZ. Another example: can a ww1 ride outturn an F4U4, pull maneuvers what are impossible for the f4u? Yes. Can the ww1 ride win? ...

Debrődy

[Stoney]

The C variant would be tough to use, even for the more experienced Jug pilots.  No WEP in the C, and that's a major performance penalty for such a heavy fighter.  Plus, you wouldn't have access to the single 500lb bomb.  The D-11 is all we need for the earlier Jug.  The D-22/23 is the only variant we're really "missing".

[Tyrannis]

You're not kingcobradude are you?  He's the last guy that made that same comment to me, much to his woe.

ack-ack

nope lol.

i love flying in the b25. most the lw fighters will be lazy and think (oh look, no tail or ball turrets, will i just slightly hide under his tail and shoot him down, hur hur!"

then they get a big : when they realise i can tilt the plane to get a straight shot on them from the top turret.


take a b25C with that 10x50 cal strafer option, and you have a BEAST. just go for the HO shot every time and your 99% garruenteed to win 

[Debrody]

just go for the HO shot every time and your 99% garruenteed to win 

lol

[RTHolmes]

take a b25C with that 10x50 cal strafer option, and you have a BEAST. just go for the HO shot every time and your 99% garruenteed to win

... or take an A-20 and kill them using ACM ...

[Ack-Ack]

See Rule #4

[Ack-Ack]

nope lol.

i love flying in the b25. most the lw fighters will be lazy and think (oh look, no tail or ball turrets, will i just slightly hide under his tail and shoot him down, hur hur!"

then they get a big : when they realise i can tilt the plane to get a straight shot on them from the top turret.

"Most" of the LW fighters that seem to engage you then really don't know how to successfully engage and shoot down a bomber.

ack-ack

[Tyrannis]

"Most" of the LW fighters that seem to engage you then really don't know how to successfully engage and shoot down a bomber.

ack-ack

no, i dont think thats the problem, i think the problem is what ive statedn allready. they UNDERESTIMATE it just because its an early war plane.

they come after it in a fully loaded 109k4 or g-14 thinking it'll be an easy kill and get lazy. and thats when its easy to suprise them.

[Ack-Ack]

no, i dont think thats the problem, i think the problem is what ive statedn allready. they UNDERESTIMATE it just because its an early war plane.

they come after it in a fully loaded 109k4 or g-14 thinking it'll be an easy kill and get lazy. and thats when its easy to suprise them.

It's easy to surprise them because they are inexperienced and lack skill.  I've been doing this for many years, believe me that it's inexperience that is getting these people shot down because they haven't learned yet the proper way to attack bombers.

ack-ack