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Offline 68ZooM

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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2010, 12:02:03 PM »
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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2010, 01:07:58 PM »
The first question you have to ask yourself is, why do you want the gun. What is your plan for it?

If you want a military style rifle you will have a hard time beating the cost effectiveness of the Nagant. That goes for it's ammo too. A lot of the ammo is corrosive so you will need to learn to clean it properly for both corrosive and non corrosive ammo. Different methods and materials.

If you want something easier to use for hunting, either big game or smaller, then go look for a regular bolt action hunting rifle. Something like the base model Remington 700 ($350 or so) in a common caliber like 30-06 or .308. It's far far easier to scope and use for long range than the Nagant. It will cost more to shoot too so keep that in mind.

If you want really cheap and fun shooting get a .22. Something like a Marlin model 60 or even a Ruger 10/22. You can shoot over 500 rounds for about $20.00.

As for the purpose, it's just to have a nice piece of equipment to put rounds downrange. I don't have a hunting license, never been and probably won't go anytime soon, so that's not an issue. I just want something military in the .308/7.62 range. I've never been fond of .22, especially when firing my friends tacti-cool Ruger 10/22.

It's a Mosin Nagant so don't overthink it.  Buds just had a sale where they sold something like 1600 never issued Nagants in a weekend for $95 shipped.  A buddy of mine bought a couple and we had them out at the range yesterday and they worked as you'd expect a Russian built gun for the lowest common denominator to shoot.

I'm not sure where he bought it but he got a spam can with 800-something rounds for about $120 shipped to his door so 7.62x54R is dirt cheap.  I know I see a lot of their brass (steel) at my club in the coffee cans so there are quite a few shooters of these things out there.  I thought I did well buying 5.56 green tips for $300/840rounds just to give you an idea of where the cost differences are.

While I don't shoot much in the way of corrosive ammunition hot soapy water to clean and then a few patches and some oil will have this gun last longer than you will.

You're doing well not dropping $1300-1500 on an off the rack M1A.  Mil Spec (not surplus) ammunition still isn't cheap and unless you're going to drop another $1000 or so into hand loading or buying match ammunition it's not going to be as accurate as you hoped.  I roll my own .308 ammunition and use very similar loads pushing match bullets as well as a hunting bullet derived from the match bullet.  It isn't cheap to get into.  The M1A can also be funny about what kind of ammunition you'll shoot through it but much less so than the M1 Garand which has the looooong operating rod as opposed to the gas piston of the M1A/M14.

For the price of an accurate M1A, good quality sighting system, reloading equipment and components on top of the ammunition you'd be shooting to get the brass you'd be loading I could own about 40 Mosin Nagants and have a lot of ammo to shoot through them.  Start small and work your way up so I'd say you're going about it the right way.  No need once your gun is cleaned and oiled to reclean and oil it every week.  It's not Charlene and you're not Private Pyle...right?

lol. I might not be Pyle, but I have a tendency to over-maintain the equipment i care about (Shine my parade shoes once a week, even though I don't wear 'em. Clean the sunglasses daily. Etc.). Fortunately, I did find a really good source for Nagant maintenance, if anyone else is interested: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinCleaning.htm

And I was kinda thinking the same thing. While I'm willing to put the money down for the M1A, I figure you never give a kid a Corvette for his first car, the same probably goes for guns lol.

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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2010, 01:19:40 PM »
Beware of Mosinitis! Symptoms include... Bruised shoulder and inability to not stop purchasing Mosins and other Commie Surplus...

There like Potato Chips, Betcha can't buy just one!
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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2010, 01:26:14 PM »
Beware of Mosinitis! Symptoms include... Bruised shoulder and inability to not stop purchasing Mosins and other Commie Surplus...

There like Potato Chips, Betcha can't buy just one!

I've got 5, I know how you feel.

Also if you buy an M44 or M38 you get a flamethrower for no extra charge
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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2010, 01:34:56 PM »
I've got 5, I know how you feel.

Also if you buy an M44 or M38 you get a flamethrower for no extra charge

He says over his one good tooth... lol. Find me an affordable one and I'll buy it!

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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2010, 01:36:56 PM »
He says over his one good tooth... lol. Find me an affordable one and I'll buy it!

M38, M91/59 and M44 are all in the same price range as the 91/30
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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2010, 01:42:14 PM »
M38, M91/59 and M44 are all in the same price range as the 91/30

Well in that case, just find one!

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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2010, 01:44:00 PM »
Well in that case, just find one!

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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2010, 02:20:22 PM »
M38, M91/59 and M44 are all in the same price range as the 91/30

I'm not seeing that. From what I have seen, the 91/30 is the cheapest and it goes up from there. Followed by M44s then M38s and 91/59s which are a little more rare.

I have also noticed that most M38s are counter-bored and have horrible barrels. Mine is all matching and in great shape, but the barrel swallows bullets all the way the casing neck.

My 91/30 is the most accurate.
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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2010, 02:47:21 PM »
If you're not going to be shooting on private land, make sure you have a local gun range that allows rifle FMJ.  Most all of the ranges around here don't, Austin's probably worse.  Cheap surplus ammo isn't as great of a buy if you don't have any place to go shoot it.

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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2010, 03:13:20 PM »
If you're not going to be shooting on private land, make sure you have a local gun range that allows rifle FMJ.  Most all of the ranges around here don't, Austin's probably worse.  Cheap surplus ammo isn't as great of a buy if you don't have any place to go shoot it.

Very true! I hadn't thought about that! Thanks!

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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2010, 04:18:50 PM »
Beware of Mosinitis! Symptoms include... Bruised shoulder and inability to not stop purchasing Mosins and other Commie Surplus...

There like Potato Chips, Betcha can't buy just one!
It's true. Went to a gun show with Nef a few weeks ago. He walked out with a SKS and I walked out with my first Mosin, 1922, has some mismatched parts but all from the 3 main Russian manufacturers on the variant.  Still researching her though. It was listed as a M91 forest service, buit can't find anything on "forest service" Mosins.  Closest I have found is in a translated Mosin user manual which lists it as an early paratroooper/sniper variant (only 42" long) with a blade sight instead of the normal ring and post.




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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2010, 04:35:44 PM »
Just wait till you pick up your first Finnish M39, there's no going back from there.

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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2010, 08:06:35 PM »
First gun?  Why not a nice 22?  Bolt action or auto, it doesn't matter.  Don't put a scope on it until you are GOOD at using the iron sights out to 100 yards.  Put a few thousand rounds through the .22 and then buy another gun.

Might as well get a .22 handgun to match the rifle.  Revolver or auto, doesn't really matter although many say a revolver is a better first gun due to it's simplicity.  I learned to fire hanguns using a S&W K-22 revolver, a beautiful pistol.  I highly recommend AGAINST a browning buckmark as a first pistol because it cannot be decocked, so once a round is in the chamber the gun is ready to go with a light single-action trigger pull, and no way to decock it except to extract the round manually and pull the trigger on the empty chamber.  It is a terrible first pistol and an even worse "field" gun.

My first rifle was a ruger 10-22 and my first pistol was a buckmark, but I had years of shooting experience before I bought them.  My next guns were a ruger mini-14 ranch rifle (with scope mounts) and a beretta just like the military uses except chambered in .40 cal for extra punch, so I could use my own gun to help train me for my official duty pistol qualification.  It worked, since I've shot expert every time I've had to qual in the M-9, M-16, and M-4.
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Re: First gun purchase
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2010, 08:17:19 PM »
I deer hunt with a Mosin Nagant.   Good rifle, the 7.62x54R is a good round, similar to a .308 or a .30-06
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