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Offline Spork

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More Loadout Customization
« on: December 27, 2010, 01:10:27 AM »
I have only been flying for approximately 4 months now but one thing I have noticed is that different planes react differently with various fuel loadouts.
I am fairly certain, with the community being as sharp as it is here, that someone has brought this up before but I wasn't able to find anything in the "search" feature.  Obviously, that doesn't necessarily preclude it from being mentioned before. Without further ado, here is my wish:

Being able to specifically fill certain fuel tanks with our own set percentages. If we were able to put specific amounts of fuel in certain tanks, it could add so much more to the balancing of the aircraft, ie FW 190s, P51B, F4Us etc.

Why has this not been implemented before? Seems like an obvious wish for hardcore flight sim jocks. Something to do with coding that I don't know about?

Anyways, I'm sure there is a reason but, this is the wish list boards  :D
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 01:16:57 AM »
Hardcore flight sim jocks would probably fly with 100 fuel as that was the real life practice of fighter squadrons.  We've had this discussion previously and no one can seem to find any indication that fighters went up with anything less then 100 fuel outside of some 51s that went without the fuselage fuel tank filled on occasion.
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 01:18:59 AM »
Hardcore flight sim jocks would probably fly with 100 fuel as that was the real life practice of fighter squadrons.  We've had this discussion previously and no one can seem to find any indication that fighters went up with anything less then 100 fuel outside of some 51s that went without the fuselage fuel tank filled on occasion.


Still doesn't negate the fact that it would help with in-game balancing and torque reduction.
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 01:23:20 AM »

Still doesn't negate the fact that it would help with in-game balancing and torque reduction.
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Nothing stopping you with upping with less fuel in the game.  I tend to take 50 fuel in the 38G as it peforms better and I never seem to get that far anyway.
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 01:28:20 AM »
Nothing stopping you with upping with less fuel in the game.  I tend to take 50 fuel in the 38G as it peforms better and I never seem to get that far anyway.

I understand that and I do but that isn't the issue reflected in my "wish". Here is an example of what I am talking about: F4U1A. Major torque. You can negate some of that torque by taking 75% and burning Left wing down to 0%, leaving right wing @ 25%, and only using MT as your fuel supply.

Now instead of having to take 75% specifically for that fuel burn so you can get 25% only in RW, with my wish, you can simply take off with 25% in Right and the rest in Main straight off the runway. No longer have to fly around in circles until you have the right fuel config for fighting.

That is the essence of what I am talking about.
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 07:53:36 AM »
I see what your talking about.

But if I am going to up a Corsair like that, why not climb away from the fight. What you are doing is burning more fuel, but gaining more alt at the same time. Yes, might take longer, but you burn the tanks to where you want them, and you have a good alt advantage in the end.
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2010, 11:53:36 AM »

Still doesn't negate the fact that it would help with in-game balancing and torque reduction.
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That is were you learn to switch tanks manually to burn off some to reduce weigh in certain areas. Sort of like when I take out a Bf 110, I will hop in the rear gun and blow off all the ammo. This reduces the weight in the rear and moves the center of balance forward (in theory, don't know if modeled) but it seems to help with handling. Could be a psychological thing too.  :x

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2010, 12:08:29 PM »
 :aok Yup! just makes ya feel good  :old:
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2010, 10:05:43 PM »
That is were you learn to switch tanks manually to burn off some to reduce weigh in certain areas. Sort of like when I take out a Bf 110, I will hop in the rear gun and blow off all the ammo. This reduces the weight in the rear and moves the center of balance forward (in theory, don't know if modeled) but it seems to help with handling. Could be a psychological thing too.  :x

This actually makes me laugh out loud!  Do yourself a favor, check the weight of the aircraft before you fire all the 8mm Mauser ammo from the rear gun and then do it after you have expended all the ammo.  How much weight did you save?  Do you think it *really* helps the you and the 110 to survive?  If you need to be that extra 100 pounds less in weight to survive, then you should not have been in the predicament u were in.   ;) 

I make mention of that to everyone I see doing that, it is just a "gaming the game" thing that as you mentioned gives you an advantage in your own mind, when in fact it makes such a minute different that even if modeled you wont be able to notice.  Think you'll be able to hang on that stall turn *that* much more because that ammo is gone?  Nah, you wont.  Dont waste your time firing all your ammo.  It is just as much of a fable as "resetting the map room" will allied troops if a few enemy troops made it in.  Time alone resets the MR.  Skuzzy said it in the server.

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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2010, 10:23:07 PM »
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Sort of like when I take out a Bf 110, I will hop in the rear gun and blow off all the ammo.

I have squaddies that do that.  Makes me :lol
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 10:30:21 PM »
This actually makes me laugh out loud!  Do yourself a favor, check the weight of the aircraft before you fire all the 8mm Mauser ammo from the rear gun and then do it after you have expended all the ammo.  How much weight did you save?  Do you think it *really* helps the you and the 110 to survive?  If you need to be that extra 100 pounds less in weight to survive, then you should not have been in the predicament u were in.   ;) 

I make mention of that to everyone I see doing that, it is just a "gaming the game" thing that as you mentioned gives you an advantage in your own mind, when in fact it makes such a minute different that even if modeled you wont be able to notice.  Think you'll be able to hang on that stall turn *that* much more because that ammo is gone?  Nah, you wont.  Dont waste your time firing all your ammo.  It is just as much of a fable as "resetting the map room" will allied troops if a few enemy troops made it in.  Time alone resets the MR.  Skuzzy said it in the server.

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This is wrong.  The AH physics do not just ignore reduced weight because it happens to be borderline negligible.  It does make a difference.  The next question is - how much difference?  That little bit of difference is marginal, but then it's not rare that you lose a fight because of some marginal angle or timing.  While it's not something you should worry about when you're still learning the basics of an aircraft, IE when that marginal weight difference is "in the noise", once you get near being able to consistently enough fly an aircraft at 9/10th's or so, it's a worthwhile handicap -- Because:  What's the alternative?  Having that much more weight being lugged around?  If hit% stats matter less than having a good fight or surviving longer, then there's no reason not to ditch that ballast; if that's all that ammo is to you.

And this is not just theoretical argument, it's from practical exp.  I can definitely feel the difference between 50% and 100% ammo in the planes I knew well, e.g. 152.   I could feel it in the 110 as well, whose ballast-able ammo I'm pretty sure is at least as significant as the 152's.  I regularly emptied my 152's down to something like 200 20mm and 45 30mm for  most sorties.  Sometimes dumped all the 20 and kept only 30mm.  Why?  For a reason that might be more particular to cannon birds, but: because I didn't need more than a handful of cannon rounds for a kill.  And I got to the point where I only fired when there was an actual 30% chance I'd hit (and handful of 20+30mm = kill), and in most sorties there was only enough fighting happening to add up to about a dozen kills tops. 

Now the above very specifically discerns what the conditions are that warrant dumping useless weight, even marginal weight.  It's not for everyone, but it's definitely not "a fable".
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 11:49:05 PM »
I have squaddies that do that.  Makes me :lol
we have alot of guys in the DA who will simply let there landing gear get ripped off, they say it decreases weight. is this true?

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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2011, 11:59:45 PM »
Pretty sure it's not. You definitely don't lose weight from other lost part (wingtip, etc), last I checked.  Asked HTC about it a while back and consensus IIRC was that it didn't matter as far as aerodynamics went, and that modeling lost weight was too easily exploited.

You can easily check for yourself with the E6B's weight reading.


I have only been flying for approximately 4 months now but one thing I have noticed is that different planes react differently with various fuel loadouts.
I am fairly certain, with the community being as sharp as it is here, that someone has brought this up before but I wasn't able to find anything in the "search" feature.  Obviously, that doesn't necessarily preclude it from being mentioned before. Without further ado, here is my wish:

Being able to specifically fill certain fuel tanks with our own set percentages. If we were able to put specific amounts of fuel in certain tanks, it could add so much more to the balancing of the aircraft, ie FW 190s, P51B, F4Us etc.

Why has this not been implemented before? Seems like an obvious wish for hardcore flight sim jocks. Something to do with coding that I don't know about?
I asked this and Hitech's answer a couple years ago was "It's not as simple as you envision".  That sounds like some fundamental coding obstacles for this wish.
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2011, 11:25:43 AM »
Spork... in the 1a, the wing tanks are tiny.  At 75% fuel you will get 4k of alt (wep off) out of a wing tank.  Look for my thread on selectable tanks as well.  I got egged pretty hard on that one.  Nonetheless it has some good answers to what you are asking for. 
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Re: More Loadout Customization
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 01:00:19 PM »
I wished for this a month ago. You guys are being so nice this time around. Must be Christmas still.
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