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Offline CAP1

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winds 330
« on: December 27, 2010, 10:43:09 AM »
at 29 gusting to 38, and they're landing 27R in philly right now.

 just heard a pilot asking about the runway, making note that it looked pretty covered from where he is/was. they gave him some sort of meter readings for touchdown, midpoint, and rollout. i didn't catch what the meter readings were. they also advised this pilot that he was to be the first arrival, i would imagine that to be a way of "nonchalantly" telling him to be careful.

 they must be turning them onto final pretty close in too, as they're usually lining up as they cross over my shop, which is about 12 miles out. just updated to gusting 46??

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« Last Edit: December 27, 2010, 10:46:04 AM by CAP1 »
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 11:31:02 AM »
Dude this is so cool...  I am listening to it now... = )
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 11:37:54 AM »
Whoa this is interesting.

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Re: winds 330
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 11:48:43 AM »
I've been checking in on the area through flightaware

Usually that area of the country is filthy with flights... not so today
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 11:49:34 AM »
I'm going to start listening to this while flyin the game  :D

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Re: winds 330
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 11:58:40 AM »
take a look at Boston right now
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2010, 01:43:20 PM »
The readings they are giving are the runway friction readouts given in mu values.  Based on our operating specifications we have to increase the max runway landing distance based upon
different friction readings. 
These are directly out of my airline operations manual:
They are as follows:
1) These examples show that some segment values may be above the value of
40 and still be contained in a NOTAM D.
2) Friction measuring reports are to be expressed using the name of the FAA
approved device, followed by the “MU” (pronounced “mew”), followed by the
reported values and the time of the measurement.
3) Use the following abbreviations to indicate the type of friction measuring
device used:
BOW Bowmonk Decelerometer
BRD Brakemeter-Dynometer
ERD Electronic Recording Decelerometer
GRT Griptester
MUM Mark 4 Mu Meter
RFT Runway friction tester
SFH Surface friction tester (high pressure tire)
SFL Surface friction tester (low pressure tire)
SKH Skiddometer (high pressure tire)
SKL Skiddometer (low pressure tire)
TAP Tapley Decelerometer
B. These readings are available on request from the airport control tower.
C. Mu-reading values in relation to braking conditions are as follows:
Measured Coefficient of Friction Descriptive Word
0.40 and above Good
0.39 to 0.35 Medium to Good
0.34 to 0.30 Medium
0.29 to 0.25 Medium to Poor
0.24 to 0.20 Poor
0.19 to 0.0   Nil
Table 12 - 2
MU Reading Values
NOTE
Values are reported for the first third (touchdown), second third and last third
(roll-out) of the runway. Values above .40 are given in tenths as a single
digit. The range of values below .40 are indicative of deteriorating conditions
and are given in hundredths as a group number.
D. Measurement. The depth is always expressed in terms of thin (less than ¼ inch),
¼ inch, ½ inch and 1 inch. When one inch is reached, additional reports should be
in multiples of one inch and the use of fractions discontinued. If a variable amount
is reported, such as three to five inches, show the greater depth. When a snow
depth of 35 inches is reached, additional reports should be in multiples of feet only.
If a report is halfway between two reportable values, round to the next higher
reportable value.
E. Every snow NOTAM shall have the time that the conditions were observed by the
airport operator as the last element of the NOTAM. If no time given, inquire as to
when the condition was observed, if still unable to obtain a time, use the time when
the NOTAM information was given to the flight service specialist.
F. The correlation between different sources of runway conditions (i.e.; PIREPs,
runway surface conditions and Mu values) are estimates. A valid PIREP or runway
surface condition report are more reliable indicators of what to expect than reported
runway Mu values. If Mu is the only information provided, attempt to ascertain the
depth and type of runway contaminants, or aircraft braking action report to make a
better assessment of actual conditions, Mu values alone may significantly
overstate aircraft braking potential. (AC 91-79)

I hope this clears up some of your questions concerning airline operations during reduced friction operations.

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Re: winds 330
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2010, 01:58:38 PM »
it helps. i was hoping one of you guys that does this would chime in.

 i stil have it on up here in the office. they are constantly asking pilots how the braking action is. the winds are still heavy. i think that today is one of those days that pilots earn their pay much more than they normally do. even something that big, i don't think i'd want to be landing in 35mph gusts.

i should add that the tower personnel sound like they are doing a phenomenal job giving the pilots all of the information that they need, along with coordinating the clean up of the runways and taxiways.
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2010, 02:49:04 AM »
i clicked on it, but nothing was being said. (did this at 4 a.m in the morning)

how does it work? can you listen to all the traffic coming in&out of the control tower?

and can you do this for all major airports in the u.s?

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Re: winds 330
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2010, 03:17:23 AM »
Listening to PDX but it's just dead air. I guess it being 1:17am has something to do with it.


edit: woohoo they just cleared a guy to land
« Last Edit: December 28, 2010, 03:25:04 AM by Scotch »
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2010, 07:54:51 AM »
i clicked on it, but nothing was being said. (did this at 4 a.m in the morning)

how does it work? can you listen to all the traffic coming in&out of the control tower?

and can you do this for all major airports in the u.s?

yes, you can listen to anything that's on their list.

 what i did, was link the window directly to phillys tower. i should've also linked the main page to thie site. it's called live atc.go here......
http://www.liveatc.net/

 you can navigate your way around the site. there's one page with a list of al the airports they're linked into. and yes, you can hear traffic both ways....from the pilot, and from the tower.

 i had philly on, because i'm somewhat famaliar  with the airspace here. also, most of the heavies fly over my shop as they're lining up for final. yesterday though, they weren't yesterday. i think they were turning in tighter.
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2010, 08:57:15 AM »
poland???  :x

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Re: winds 330
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2010, 09:32:09 AM »
This is pretty cool.  There is a app for the iphone for $2.99 if any are interested. 
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2010, 05:51:01 PM »
Pretty sweet.
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Re: winds 330
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2010, 05:58:32 PM »
at 29 gusting to 38, and they're landing 27R in philly right now.

 just heard a pilot asking about the runway, making note that it looked pretty covered from where he is/was. they gave him some sort of meter readings for touchdown, midpoint, and rollout. i didn't catch what the meter readings were. they also advised this pilot that he was to be the first arrival, i would imagine that to be a way of "nonchalantly" telling him to be careful.

 they must be turning them onto final pretty close in too, as they're usually lining up as they cross over my shop, which is about 12 miles out. just updated to gusting 46??

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