Brewster

[Delirium]

It is NOT overmodeled, Just EASY!!

The Brew has no surprises; it doesn't have characteristics that cause a wing to dip or (worse yet) the lack of neg G carb of say the early RAF fighters. Of all the fighters in AH, it is the one plane that handles most like a T6 Texan but can still dish out damage with really good E retention. I think the biggest problem people are having is allowing a Brew to dive on them and not getting out of guns range as soon as possible. Myths of the Brew being able to zoom and dive like 262s but turn like zekes, I believe, are appearing from these confrontations.

I won't fly it, without surprises it is pretty boring and borderline easy.

[JUGgler]

Finland had a far superior air force then Europe, and its western allies. Churchill marveled and said. "If it wasn't for the brewster, I wouldn't have tea. Spitfire who?"

And how is this statement determined?
 Quite frankly the FINS did so well cause the russians were so terrible at the time. Finnish airforce would have been destroyed in a matter of days vs Brits, Germans, US etc.

Yes the Fins did very well against Russia but is like having a kick boxing contest against a quadrapalegic!


Just saying
 

JUGgler

[fbWldcat]

The B-239 was of discussion on 200 again. It climbs and catches 109K4s, out turns Hurricanes+Zekes and catches up with P51D's+F4UD's.

Aces High Over modeled, discuss?

 

Anything can climb and catch a 109K-4 if there is a huge E difference. No, it does not out-turn zekes, hurris I cannot account for, but the zeke easily flies circles around it. Anything can catch up to anything, like I said. F4Us (U-4 is exempt) have difficulty regaining speed quickly unless it has room to dive, and the pony isn't the quickest accelerating plane in the game.

[bcadoo]

Finland had a far superior air force then Europe, and its western allies. Churchill marveled and said. "If it wasn't for the brewster, I wouldn't have tea. Spitfire who?"

And how is this statement determined?
 Quite frankly the FINS did so well cause the russians were so terrible at the time. Finnish airforce would have been destroyed in a matter of days vs Brits, Germans, US etc.

Yes the Fins did very well against Russia but is like having a kick boxing contest against a quadrapalegic!


Just saying
 

JUGgler

The way that I read his statement is that: First, Finland had a 'far superior' air force, 'THEN' (apparently much later) Europe and its western allies did something with tea.

[Muzzy]

A fighter plane with a 0.81 kill/death ratio is hardly something to  over.

[shiv]

Brewsters need to be roped.  Never an easy fight though, and easy to lose if someone smart flying it.

[newz]

the zeke easily flies circles around it.

I call bs on this.

[fbWldcat]

I call bs on this.

Why? The zeke is a superior turn-fighter. "Flies circles around it" is hyperbole. Any zeke pilot who's worth his/her salt will win a turn fight against a brew, though. The brewster cannot maintain enough airspeed and eventually will falter to the zeke, which can turn even at very low speeds.

[Slash27]

And how is this statement determined?

Just saying
 

JUGgler

Through sarcasm?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Finland had a far superior air force then Europe, and its western allies. Churchill marveled and said. "If it wasn't for the brewster, I wouldn't have tea. Spitfire who?"

In Finnish Air Force service, the B-239s were regarded as being very easy to fly, a "gentleman's plane". The Buffalo was also popular within the FAF because of their relatively long range and flight endurance, and also because of their low-trouble maintenance record. This was in part due to the efforts of the Finnish engine mechanics, who solved a problem that plagued the Wright Cyclone engine simply by inverting one of the piston rings in each cylinder. This had a positive effect on engine reliability. The cooler weather of Finland was also a plus for the engine. In the end, the Brewster Buffalo gained a reputation in Finnish Air Force service as one of their more successful fighter aircraft. In service during 1941–1945, Buffalos of Lentolaivue 24 (Fighter Squadron 24) claimed with 477 Soviet Air Force warplanes destroyed, with the combat loss of just 19 Buffalos; an outstanding victory ratio of 26:1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_F2A_Buffalo

[LCADolby]

Glad to see my post has caused a little discussion, with the usual suspects using it as a attempt to flame how people fly in game.(But we secretly don't want you to change ack-ack  )

Reason I personally think it's overmodeled is that I have been lead to believe;
 
 it couldn't turn with zekes and hurricanes,
 that it was very unstable when near stall, and snap rolled much like a 190A5
 that the export versions engine switched off in a negative G (And too long in a neg g state would be off for good)
 that it's 950 bhp R-1820-G5 engine made it struggle to climb and go fast

Now I don't have all the resources or massive heads and egos some of you guys do to sit here and blah blah blah your SA sucks this that and the other with all the correction and flaming. But hey Happy New Year, my resolution is to try and have the Brewster fixed a little

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Glad to see my post has caused a little discussion, with the usual suspects using it as a attempt to flame how people fly in game.(But we secretly don't want you to change ack-ack   )

Reason I personally think it's overmodeled is that I have been lead to believe;
 
 it couldn't turn with zekes and hurricanes,
 that it was very unstable when near stall, and snap rolled much like a 190A5
 that the export versions engine switched off in a negative G (And too long in a neg g state would be off for good)
 that it's 950 bhp R-1820-G5 engine made it struggle to climb and go fast

Now I don't have all the resources or massive heads and egos some of you guys do to sit here and blah blah blah your SA sucks this that and the other with all the correction and flaming. But hey Happy New Year, my resolution is to try and have the Brewster fixed a little

Funny because the war time brewster pilots regarded the hurricane as an extremely clumsy plane that should immediately be engaged in a turn fight while in brewster. In fact the hurricane in AH2 is modeled wrong because in real world it was a flying molotov coctail, the unprotected fuel tank was between the pilots legs, one bullet there and the pilot burned alive. Same thing for spitfire (minus the burning) under the altitude of 4km above which spitfire became superior. Also bw was regarded as a very easy and stable to fly. Engine did not shut off in a negative G since it was not carburetor equipped. In fact it's the same engine used in B17 and SBD.

You have your facts all wrong.

[newz]

"easily flies circles around it" is hyperbole.

Hence the calling of "bs".

[B3YT]

the MKIa hurricanes of BoB did have amour around the fuel tank , only the first 12 made did not have the armour . The Hurricane had a slower roll than the Brewster but would  turn better at lower speed (under 120Mph) .  It was the  oil  that was more likely to catch fire in the hurricane as it was just above the supercharger of the merlin and unprotected . If the fuel tanks were hit they were more likely to explode than just burn as they were kept under pressure of 20psi to feed it into the fuel system .   The spitfire had the same system  .  
As far as the Spitfire being superior over 4Km(?)  i'm not sure what you mean as the hurricane would handle very well over 20K  with much better stall qualities than the spitfire.  With the ticker wing the hurricane  could dive better , at speed the hurricane didn't lock up it's ailerons (unlike the spitfire) nor did it have control reversal at speed . While Firing it's guns the Hurricane did not have the tenancy to dip it's nose like the spitfire and it's  firing cone was much tighter .   Many hurricane aces when going over to the spitfire found them to be  overly sensitive in pitch ,   awkward to see your target over the nose  .   The early Spitfires had far more vices that would kill you than the Hurricane Though they were faster.    
Most BoB aces will tell you that the Hurricane was the right plane for the job in the BoB.
My grand farther who worked as ground crew on 6 squadron DAF could attest to the amount of damage that  a hurricane could soak up and still fly home . Fuel tank hits were common to 6 squadron as they were attacking tank columns   and supply convoys  .   This meant that   they would often have the underside of the aircraft exposed at low altitude to    AAA fire from tanks and fix positions.

[B3YT]

Hence the calling of "bs".

 both the Zero and hurricane MkIa will turn better at very low speed than the Brewster enough that after a few revolutions the brew will be in  trouble and have to break off . we are talking of speeds below 120mph   .    plus the zero could also deploy flaps one notch to increase it's turn rate  at ultra low speed . Both Hurricane and zeros stall speeds are below that of the Brewster  .