fire for belly landings

[guncrasher]

LOL  "wouldnt make HO passes"   If you have a degree in history, take it back and get a refund!   Nothing else you said make sense because 1-I didnt tell anyone how to fly, the subject is actually about LANDING! and 2-the case was not made for strict realism, (hitech doesnt believe in it) it was made for game play! Next time you might need someone to explain it to you.

muzik really love you man, but you misunderstood your own post, then his.

in your original post you mentioned "we have no incentive whatsoever to fear for our lives or that of the aircraft which is extremely gamey" which contradicts what is highlighted above. sorry bro but you're contradicting yourself.

semp

[RTHolmes]

This pilot's 500lb deployed on takeoff, and detonated. He survived the blast in his P-47
(Image removed from quote.)

umm  ...  wow! 

[Krusty]

And yet..... no fire.....


 

[CAP1]

It is a thought.

Many WWII fliers died when belly landing on the runway because a spark ignited their fuel.  What if it were coded into the game where some belly landings would be catastrophic for the pilot and plane.  The possibility of a catastrophic belly landing would be reduced by a grass belly landing at the field coupled with a reduced ditch penalty (the reduced penalty would only count if the plane was ditched within the limits of the air field).  The pilot who had the most damage on the plane attempting belly land would get the kill.   

If a plane were belly landed with a fuel leak the risk of a catastrophic fire would be increased.  If a plane belly landed with no or minimal damage the risk would be there but randomized.  I think it would create another element of immersion to game play.  This would create an incentive to actually landing instead of bellying in every time.  One could belly land without penalty or with, it would be a risk they would have to assume. 

a friend of mine that flew p51's in ww2 had to ditch his pony. he was instructed to land off-base to avoid just this.

[kvuo75]

i'm pretty sure you can catch on fire belly landing in game.. I saw it happen to an old squaddie a few years ago. its rare but apparently can happen.

[whiteman]

i'm pretty sure you can catch on fire belly landing in game.. I saw it happen to an old squaddie a few years ago. its rare but apparently can happen.

i think hitech may have toned it down or taken it out, or it may have even been a bug during a big update that was fixed. I remember belly landing then hearing some one say i was on fire then boom lol. i think it was when the new F6F came in and was breaking in half on landings. i do remember a few people crying because their 262's exploded because they didn't put their gear down.

[AWwrgwy]

I guess when your education comes from youtube, it's easy to miss some pages like this one.  Pay particular attention to 4:40 to 6:10   "...Your biggest danger..."   Correction  5:40-6:10
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVUZZjuDHw

Synopsis of 5:40-6:10:

Don't land with bombs, they may drop off. (See pic a few posts back).
Battle Damaged aircraft land last as to not block the runway.
Greatest danger of belly landing - Plane exploding or digging in a wing.  Not fire.

I don't know about you, but I explode often when belly landing.

i'm pretty sure you can catch on fire belly landing in game.. I saw it happen to an old squaddie a few years ago. its rare but apparently can happen.

Fuel leak + belly landing sometimes = fire.

And yet..... no fire.....


 

 

Muzik, the majority of this community isn't playing for realism.

Bursting into fire when belly landing isn't about "realism". Sure it happens... sometimes.



No fire. It was a big "oops" too.



wrongway

[Beefcake]

I still don't understand what this really adds to the game.

When a person comes in and belly lands, weather they have damage or not, their sortie is over. They cannot rearm and they can't lift off again, they can only tower out. Although fires burn pretty fast I'm betting most people will be able to stop and tower out before the fire blows up the plane. So that means in the end HTC would've "coaded" something that doesn't change anything since those people that belly land perfectly good airplanes would still do it.

Now if you come in at 200-250 MPH and hit the runway I can understand your plane catching fire and possibly blowing up, however, most battle damaged aircraft come in slowly with full flaps down and sometimes just barely flying above stalling speed when they belly land.

The only people this will really affect are going to be the people flying their crippled planes, it's not going to affect the guys that belly land a good plane just because they can tower out faster.

[grizz441]

I still don't understand what this really adds to the game.

When a person comes in and belly lands, weather they have damage or not, their sortie is over. They cannot rearm and they can't lift off again, they can only tower out. Although fires burn pretty fast I'm betting most people will be able to stop and tower out before the fire blows up the plane. So that means in the end HTC would've "coaded" sometime that doesn't change anything since those people that belly land perfectly good airplanes would still do it.

What it does is incentivises landing with a gear, the proper way to land.

I mentioned this on page 2 but you must not have read it.

[kilo2]

If i recall after one of the patches there was a bug that almost anytime you belly landed you would catch fire. I always belly landed before that and started to use my gear during that time.

[muzik]

muzik really love you man, but you misunderstood your own post, then his.
in your original post you mentioned "we have no incentive whatsoever to fear for our lives or that of the aircraft which is extremely gamey" which contradicts what is highlighted above. sorry bro but you're contradicting yourself.
semp

Not so. If you'll check further back I referred to Grizzs post that we have little incentive to avoid belly landings. I didnt stress the point because it was already made. I reinforced that point by adding the "realism" argument and then again I said "not for strict realism." The truth is, it would be wise to make belly landings more frequent than real life.

Here is another argument that relates, but was never addressed. All of those "fireless wrecks that have been mentioned failed to take into account that many men died during "fireless" wrecks. Potential injury is something else we need not fear. So taken together the odds of dieing, catching fire, or career ending injuries was likely far greater than the chance you would walk away unharmed. Since it is ridiculous to suggest that injuries on landing be modeled, the risk factor for belly landing fires should include all of those risks in one simple probability, fires on landing.

There should be a good 25% chance of catching fire. If you suspect that you might catch fire, then you should bail out over your base , just as any aircrew or pilot would have had to do.

Greatest danger of belly landing - Plane exploding or digging in a wing.  Not fire.

wrongway

No fire in explosions? 
Your logic makes my head hurt. I wont even comment on the rest, it hurts bad enough as it is.

And yet..... no fire.....
 

You noticed there was no fire in that picture? Damn you got us.  I guess that jugs only real problem was a acute sunburn on the fuselage and right wing.

[RTHolmes]

No fire in explosions? 

only in hollywood is every explosion accompanied by a fireball. thats because pyro effects are alot easier and cheaper to film than shock waves, at least before cgi made cool detonation effects possible.

[Chilli]

only in hollywood is every explosion accompanied by a fireball. thats because pyro effects are alot easier and cheaper to film than shock waves, at least before cgi made cool detonation effects possible.

Walked out of my house one afternoon, and waved to my neighbor, who was a race mechanic (looked a lot like he belonged in ZZ Top).  I turn and was about to near my car in the driveway, when the ground shook simultaneously with a bright flash of light.  I turned to see my neighbor running for his water hose and dowsing himself and rubbing his face and beard.  It took me more than a few seconds to spot the torch and tank that he had been standing next to.  I ran over to see if he needed assistance, it was then that he was able to relay what had happened was an explosion that fortunately didn't ignite the tank but the fumes from a leaking connector.  His face was singed but he was okay.  I think there might have been a dry patch of grass or two burning but as Holmes said, no fireball.

As a video effect, it would be cool to see sparks when belly landing on runways, and water splashes when bellying in the water.

[Krusty]

Yes... because applying direct fire to a gasoline vapor is in any way comparable to a historically proven resistance to fire for WW2 planes landing.... </sarcasm>


Muzik, the facts don't add up for you on this one. You want it for a nonsensical reason. It won't help anybody. It's not historically accurate... it would be arbitrarily saying "Your wings fall off if you stay banked for 30 seconds without going level again" -- does nothing but hurt gameplay, is not historically accurate, and has no basis in fact.

[AWwrgwy]

Here is another argument that relates, but was never addressed. All of those "fireless wrecks that have been mentioned failed to take into account that many men died during "fireless" wrecks. Potential injury is something else we need not fear. So taken together the odds of dieing, catching fire, or career ending injuries was likely far greater than the chance you would walk away unharmed. Since it is ridiculous to suggest that injuries on landing be modeled, the risk factor for belly landing fires should include all of those risks in one simple probability, fires on landing.

There should be a good 25% chance of catching fire. If you suspect that you might catch fire, then you should bail out over your base , just as any aircrew or pilot would have had to do.

No fire in explosions? 
Your logic makes my head hurt. I wont even comment on the rest, it hurts bad enough as it is.

I have caught fire belly landing before. I explode often belly landing. Is there a fire? I don't know. I exploded.

Perhaps your wish is already in game?


wrongway