F-22?

[Tyrannis]

are we even sure this thing is legit, on the outside AND in? it could be a bluff by china to make us think there airforce is much more advanced than we believe.


are we even sure the aircraft in the picture is operational? can it fly? does its engines even work? it could just be all looks, some chinese "aviator" could of looked over the f22, and decided to tweek the look a little, then design this look for a fighter jet to make the u.s think its got competition, for all we know that jet in the pic could look nice on the outside, but within its junk. nothing but a bluff.

i wouldnt be suprised if china was bluffing, with all thats going on between north/south korea, war between the u.s and china probally looks closer to happening to them, and they want to avoid it. so there trying to bluff us by saying "oh look, we have stealth fighter too that looks just like yours!"

or it could be like what the russians did with the su-47, make a good stealth fighter but in the end just museum shelf it.


i wont believe this jet is legit until i see actual footage of it in action.

[nrshida]

I'm not Dutch! I just live here.

Are you in the aviation industry eagl?

[Tupac]

I'm not Dutch! I just live here.

Are you in the aviation industry eagl?

He flies an F15

[Yeager]

If any of you work in the defense industry in the US then I think you would agree with me:  Damned near 1/3 of the names on any given company's engineering payrolls are of Chinese origin.  Draw your own conclusions but I don't think its a big stretch to assume a lot of proprietary sensitive classified info is quietly and securely being sent back home to mom.

[nrshida]

Oh that's interesting. I know another AH player that does that. Or is he one and the same? 

I'm sure the Chinese aren't planning to invade the USA just yet, I think it's safe to relax.

[ShyGuy12]

Hmm, a rip-off of the F-22 and the PAK FA.   I wonder if WikiLeaks gave away information about the F-22

[Vulcan]

are we even sure this thing is legit, on the outside AND in? it could be a bluff by china to make us think there airforce is much more advanced than we believe.

Lets face some facts.... china has a massive tech industry with huge financial resources and cheap overheads; your (US) military infrastructure is leaking like a sieve (see wikileaks); much of the silicon in the US is made in china. It would not be hard for china to steal info from the US plus through huge amounts of resource at developing and improving on that.

[Vulcan]

Hmm, a rip-off of the F-22 and the PAK FA.   I wonder if WikiLeaks gave away information about the F-22

wikileaks merely highlighted the fact that this info was already in foreign hands. It surprises me there hasn't been news of a serious shake up in your intelligence systems, there is off the shelf tech that would've prevented the whole wikileaks thing from happening.

[Ex-jazz]

What Vulcan said

The Power is shifting, you like or not.

[Reschke]

You guys are pretty much all missing the point.

1.  The Russian fighter is obviously a stealthy deep strike aircraft.  It's freaking huge (F-111 size) with large internal weapons bays.  If used as a pure fighter it can probably carry double the missile loadout of an F-22, triple or quadruple what an F-35 can carry.
2.  The F-22 is an air dominance fighter with no compromises, but because of stealth it can't be modded to an A/G workhorse like the F-15D became the strike eagle.  Comparisons to the F-22 and this new Chinese fighter are like comparing an F-15 to an F-111.
3.  The F-35 is a stealthy viper with better information integration software.  Those systems can be put in ANY future aircraft and are true advances, but the plane itself is little more than a stealthy F-16.  The F-35 is gonna suck at air superiority and it doesn't have the range or payload to replace the F-15E.  It is also only front aspect stealthy, so anything left alive after the strike is over will take a shot at the retreating F-35s after they drop their 2 bombs and run out of gas, because they are not rear-aspect stealthy.

This Chinese fighter is something the US wishes it had the money and balls to produce, a stealthy deep strike fighter to be the true successor of the F-111, F-15E, and B-58 hustler.  It would be a massive game changer as a strategic deterrent for the US against any potential adversaries, and could actually potentially save trillions of dollars since it could allow us to reduce deterrent commitments elsewhere and act as a deterrent we might actually use against any smaller high-threat country that doesn't quite deserve nuking.  But we're not going to make one, even though the concept was pretty fully worked out with the "stretch" F-22 proposals.

+1 Buddy! Glad you know what you are talking about to help some dingbats see the light...not that they will...EVER.

I wish we could go back to simple tactics like just kicking someones teeth in because it was the right thing to do. Something the Chinese and Russians seem to be pretty adept at doing.

[F22RaptorDude]

OK what the hell!?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

same as the russian "stealth" fighter.

"we cut corners in safety and reliability to lower cost and improve production numbers"

That worked wonders in WWII and the T-34.

[Tyrannis]

That worked wonders in WWII and the T-34.

pretty much ended there too

[Melvin]

What does Pierre Sprey think of the F-35?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQB4W8C0rZI&feature=related


Here's what this fellow that works at a "think tank" has to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kssZua8MVc&feature=related

Please discuss.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

pretty much ended there too

You do realize that the majority of high tech manufacturing currently happens in China? They have capical, know how and resources to do basically anything.