109K4 V Spit 14

[Changeup]

O god, ENY fight! P47's should be 40perks

Only when JUGgler flies them! DOH!

[JOACH1M]

Only when JUGgler flies them! DOH!

Lol

[Anaxogoras]

rolls better at slow speed better then most planes, at about 180mph it's better then spit16

Please test it with a stopwatch.  The XIV does seem to roll exceptionally well close to stall speed, but at 200mph the XVI easily rolls faster.  I would be surprised if the situation were reversed with only 20mph difference.  And then, of course, you can't even compare the roll of the XIV and XVI at speeds greater than 250mph.

[JOACH1M]

Please test it with a stopwatch.  The XIV does seem to roll exceptionally well close to stall speed, but at 200mph the XVI easily rolls faster.  I would be surprised if the situation were reversed with only 20mph difference.  And then, of course, you can't even compare the roll of the XIV and XVI at speeds greater than 250mph.

At lift off speed and slightly faster the 14 rolls faster(to the right) which the way the prop spins, the 16 rolls to the left(where its prop spins) slightly slower, I will to it with my phone when I get back

[Anaxogoras]

When I tested them about 1.5 years ago, the XIV rolled 360 degrees at 200mph in 2.72 seconds (average of three trials, all to the right).  The XVI completed a 360 degree roll to the left in 1.92 seconds (also an average of three trials).

[Perrine]

I say unperk spit 14 and give ENY 5

or

give spit 14 a level-up boost of +21 lbs/sq.in. to justify its perk price
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14v109.html

[Mirage]

O god, ENY fight! P47's should be 40perks

if the Jug is 40 I demand the 190A-5 be 45 

[JOACH1M]

if the Jug is 40 I demand the 190A-5 be 45 

Lol, but you got CANNON!

[Mirage]

2 Mg151+2 BB guns =/= 8 50's 

ENY 45 for teh A-5

[Muzzy]

Next thing you know they'll be perking the Brewster.

[Having thrown the bomb in the room, Muzzy runs away laughing like a mad supervillain   ]

[perdue3]

The reason why it's perked is because it is a Twitfire. K4 is too difficult to fly to be perked. Twitfire on the other hand...

[Ruah]

The reason why it's perked is because it is a Twitfire. K4 is too difficult to fly to be perked. Twitfire on the other hand...

But thats the thing, try to fly the 14 like a 16 and you will be spinning to your death over and over - it will actually give the spit pilots a 'challanging' plane.

And outside of the tater, the K4 is a dream to fly imo.  After 2 weeks in it and slamming the right rudder/left stick thing that throws the ground around in the most enjoyable way, I wish I could fly it with a 151 - so now its just getting the hang of shooting at targets that are under my nose. . .

[Anaxogoras]

But thats the thing, try to fly the 14 like a 16 and you will be spinning to your death over and over - it will actually give the spit pilots a 'challanging' plane.

And outside of the tater, the K4 is a dream to fly imo.  After 2 weeks in it and slamming the right rudder/left stick thing that throws the ground around in the most enjoyable way, I wish I could fly it with a 151 - so now its just getting the hang of shooting at targets that are under my nose. . .

Having taken a long time off from the game, the K4 is not a dream to fly.  The controls lock up at high speed, and even begin to get heavy in level flight.  But compared to some other high speed types its low speed handling is very good, if you can handle the torque.  I spent a little time in the K4 yesterday and couldn't hit a thing unless my targets were hanging, whereas I had no trouble hopping in a P51 or P47 and blasting targets at 600 yards.  That's after ~10 months away.  When you fly an aircraft like the K4 day after day you forget what it's like when you don't have the muscle memory for it.

Your point about the 14 is spot on, of course.  It is not like the other Spitfires.  I don't think it would be crazy to unperk the 14 and put a small perk on the 16, because for main arena purposes, the 16 is the better aircraft.

[Ruah]

oh, I totally agree about the 30mm - I think its the real kicker for the plane.  Its the reason i take a g2 (i made a thread and asked about g2 or g14 for 20mm stuff - and the g2 is, in my opinion, the better plane) if I am flying duo with my friend. But alone, which is how I usually fly because I can't commit to a squad yet (I move around a lot for work) even though I really want to, the k4 is better (more options).  Outside of the 30mm and the real pita that it is, the plane can do things in the air that are ver satisfying when they work (which is why i have been dedicating all of my time to it) especially torque rolls and brds using the torque.  but the flying characteristics are really perdictable.  And thats the thing with the 109s - they have perdictable characteristics that are so reliable that the real experts build entire acms out of them (i am an aspireing noob).  The spit 14 on the other hand is a totally uperdictable beast as far as i can tell and when I try torque play offline, the thing flat spins. 

i am sure if it were unperked, people would use it as a bnzer which would be a shame, but at least we will see it and be able to have some fun trying to tame it.  The k4 on the other hand just does not have the ammo to make a good bnzer - but its so fun to fly it at the edge. . . and is definatly not a perk-worthy plane when placd next to the tempest. . .which is a pure killer and really defines what a perked prop plane is imo.

[Muzzy]

The question is whether the 14 is such an unstoppable beast that un-perking it would unbalance the game somehow.  I think it's not like the Tempest or the rocket birds, which are total pains to track down.  It's more along the lines of the C-hog, which is a pain, but not really unstoppable (unless Rud3boi is in it). 

Plus, I don't think everyone is going to try and fly the 14 if it gets unperked. The benefits just aren't worth it.