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Caps list of annoyances
« on: January 06, 2011, 01:16:09 PM »
concerning automobiles.

nrshida asked in another thread for a list of annoyances in the automotive field. rather then continue to hijack that thread, here is said list.

 now bear in mind that there are plenty of things i like about modern cars, but they are somewhat agitating to work on too. some of what follows is tongue-in-cheek, some serious. this is not meant to offend anyone.

My Gripes With Automotive Engineers

1)Cadillac ht4100 engines(and subsequent similarly designed  4.5 and 4.9L engines).
 Who in their right mind would design an aluminum engine with cast iron heads, then when they discover it leaks, simply specify coolant sealer tablets?(I call them Cadillac asperins) then to make it worse, they make TWO more engines the same way?

2) Chrysler 2.7L engines. 
 These are true engineering marvels. They are designed with a passage behind the timing belt that expits next to the oil filter. This passage is for coolant….that leaks, apparently normally.

3) Tire pressure monitor systems.
 Most of these systems have a transponder that is part of the valve stem now. Used to be done by the abs sensor. Ever try to tell a customer that the valve stem for their tire is gonna cost them  $125.00?

4) computer controlled windows and/or lighting
 Ever since cars have had power windows, they’ve worked beautifully. It was simple. 12V fused to the switch, from there, to the window motor, and the motor was grounded.
 Now, they’ve got their own control modules, with associated relays, extra wiring, circuit breakers, etc….but they function the same.(this is classic engineer “fix it ‘cause it ain’t broke)
 Same with headlights. Some now have a lighting control module…yet the function is identical to what we had 50 years ago, but with more/extra wiring to support it.
5) window regulators.
Again, ever since there have been roll down windows on cars, a simple easy, lightweight(and non-failing) scissors type of regulator has worked perfectly.
 Now, we have cable(often failing) operated regulators. No need. They do not save room, or weight.
6) general underhood assemblies. 
 Ever had a bolt that you simply cannot get to?  Classic example. Customer brings his 2006 subaru in for a fuel leak(kinda new for that, eh?) I find the leak. It’s a fuel line under the intake plenum. Pretty simple, eh? Problem was that to get the intake off, the fuel line had to be disconnected….and to disconnect the fuel line, the intake had to come off.  There’s more in this heading, but I could go on forever here.
7) hvac systems.
 Again, heaters in cars have worked perfectly ever since they’ve had them. Same with a/c. now these too, are often controlled by some sort of control module.
 Then there’s the servicing of these systems. Ever try to replace the heater core in most Chrysler products? Or the evaporator core?  Can any of you that work on cars remember ever replacing a vacuum motor for the vent control doors? Those are mostly electric now, and they go bad all the time.
8)lighting systems
 Tail lights that are mounted on a printed circuit board. Are you friggin KIDDING me?  They do not improve the function, do not save wiring, and these things fail.
 Try changing the headlight bulbs on some of the smaller cars. Nearly impossible to get at them.  I could go on more here too…..
9)cooling systems.
 First off…..vw….whos brilliant idea was it to put a plastic impeller on a steel knurled shaft, and expect it to last more than 60k miles? 
 Coolant…..ever seen the crap dexcool causes? Or some of these other manufacturer specific coolants? Not a single one of them does anything better than plain old ethelene glycol based antifreeze…except to  cause problems.
 Electric fans…actually a pretty good idea. How to control them on the other hand, varies. Old way was a temp. sensor in the engine, trips a relay, relay turns on fan. Now, we have small(and often times hidden) cooling fan control modules. These things are just downright silly.
10) awd/4x4 systems
 Mostly on suv’s. most jeeps, and basic ford/gm systems are still ok. But on suv’s we have a computer that controls these too now. Why?

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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 01:30:04 PM »
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All the way through high school I had a 77 Cutlas Salon.  I did 99% of the work on it myself.  I mean seriously how hard is it to change spark plugs and oil? Back then.  Changing the brake pads? pshh.. no big deal. 

In 1982 I got a Camaro for graduation.  I took one look under the hood and said '___ that'.  I can't imagine what you guys have to put up with today.

Now here's a brilliant and not a serious design flaw.  What brain surgeon decided to put the cup holder 2 inches away from the gearshift in the 2001 Mustang? You can't even fit a coke can in there and shift without hitting it.  Had to be a designer.  You can't trust those guys.  They're all a bunch of clow... oh wait I are one :D
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 01:34:05 PM »
if you thought the 82 camaro was bad, you should have a look under the hood of a 96 or 97....i've not seen under the hood of the holden camaros yet........

oh...and the cup holder thing? i've seen it on mustangs, and other cars as well. me personally, i never had an open drink in my 89 gt, mostly due to the way i drove that car.  :devil
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 01:36:53 PM »
well once they banned the open container really whats the point. :P
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 01:48:46 PM »
2010 and 2011 5th Gen Camaros.....

If you have an SS or RS you can't turn on the fog lights with the headlights. The DRLs are the fogs during the day.

There are work arounds like adding an aftermarket harnesses to fix the issue.

Engineers spend so much time trying to show their worth. Wastes a lot of time and money fixing their work.
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 01:52:20 PM »
2010 and 2011 5th Gen Camaros.....

If you have an SS or RS you can't turn on the fog lights with the headlights. The DRLs are the fogs during the day.

There are work arounds like adding an aftermarket harnesses to fix the issue.

Engineers spend so much time trying to show their worth. Wastes a lot of time and money fixing their work.

wait?? you can't run the fogs at ALL if the headlights are on? usually that's only if highbeams are on......but that would seem somewhat ridiculous  seeing as they're intended to supplement headlights in......fog.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 02:03:16 PM »
My biggest pet peeve of cars are yellow ones.  The absolute worst color for any car.  Should be illegal.
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 02:06:25 PM »
i sometimes have fuel leak issues with my '04 impreza.  CAP, i feel your pain. it was a pain in the arse getting to the fuel line, as, like you said, it ran into a major dilema at the intake.

'tis why i invested in a cold air intake (well, and because i'm a speed demon), basically just a system of tubes, valves, and the cooling mechanism, not getting in the way of the fuel lines anymore.
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 02:07:54 PM »
you can't turn on the fog lights with the headlights.

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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 02:35:52 PM »
My wife had a late 90's firebird when I was dating her. It developed a leak in the upper radiator hose, no biggie to fix right?  Got the hose swapped out and was refiling the cooling system only to find that the cooling system was not designed with the radiator cap as the high point in the system. They designed a very small screw type valve at the top of the system to release the build up pressure so you could fill it. the problem is you had to seal the system and run the car to build the pressure, then turn the car back off open the cap and try to hurry and get more fluid in before it all came rushing back into the radiator.  I would love to throat punch whoever thought that was a great idea.
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 02:52:35 PM »
wait?? you can't run the fogs at ALL if the headlights are on? usually that's only if highbeams are on......but that would seem somewhat ridiculous  seeing as they're intended to supplement headlights in......fog.

If you see a 5th Gen camaro with a slot in the front...... it is an SS. The DRLs on those are the fogs. The fogs will not come on when the headlights are on... even when on low beam.

The non-SS and non-RS camaros use the headlight as the DRL. You can control the fogs on those.

Several companies have developed harnesses just for that issue.
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 03:17:30 PM »
if it wasnt for engineers you lot would all be walking everywhere, and sleeping under a pile of furs in a cave :P

engineers design cool stuff, sadly consumers dont want to or cant pay for cool stuff, they just want cheap stuff. thats mostly why we have badly compromised designs.
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 03:46:32 PM »
Chevrolet SSR
warranty radio replacement 4.5 hours
Only the drivers seat and top dash panel stay IN the passenger compartment.
1. Lower convertible top.
2. Remove canter console and trim. (includes shifter, aux gauges, and convertible top trim cover)
3. Remove passenger seat.
4. Remove chrome dash trim. (includes headlamp switch, HVAC control knobs)
5. Remove drivers side lower dash trim and instrument cluster.
6. Remove passenger side lower dash trim and glove box.
7. Crawl under dash to remove passenger airbag module. (mounting screws obstructed, and unthread towards front of vehicle)
8. Remove cup holder.
9. Remove ash tray. (yes, it has one)
10. Remove upper dash trim panel.
11. Remove radio. (finally!)

Why so much work for just a radio? Because some dumb engineer felt it was nessassary to mould a lip in the upper dash trim that is covered by the airbag.


Without the lip the trim panel could easily slide past the airbag, saving hous of work.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 03:50:53 PM »
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Re: Caps list of annoyances
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2011, 03:55:38 PM »
Replaced the heater core in my 2001 F-150. That was not fun.