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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2011, 03:02:15 AM »
Allow me to be the first to call BS on this one.
BS

unless you had speed jacked up to like 600fps which is extremely dangerous and stupid.

Have you used the gun he is talking about?  Given the right conditions (no wind) its not impossible, its is a hell of a shot but its not impossible.

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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2011, 04:35:55 AM »
Have you used the gun he is talking about?  Given the right conditions (no wind) its not impossible, its is a hell of a shot but its not impossible.

Do you play paintball?

Let me explain a few of the factors for you.

1) Paintballs are made out of a shell filled with liquid paint, the shell is made in 2 halves, it has a seam.  Because of this seam even the best paintballs will curve somewhat after they loose so much velocity, it has nothing to do with wind.  At 50yds you'd be hard pressed to shoot a grouping tighter then 6 feet, and that is with the best marker, best barrel, compressed air, and best paint.  And a Tipmann is FAR from the best marker, in my experience they chop paint like mad, and he was likely using CO2, which causes velocity dips and spikes wrecking havoc with the accuracy.

2) Paintball markers are not used in games at speeds greater then 300fps for safety reasons.  50yds is 150'.  150/300 is half a second flight time.  Except it's not really, the ball leaves the barrel at 300fps, but paintballs are big .68 inches to be exact, and they slow down quickly, by 50yds I'd bet they've slowed down by at least 30% (which means you'd get lots of bounces too).   Plus that pesky thing called gravity means at that distance you will be lobbing the paint in there with quite a curve, so the parabola actually makes the flight longer.    So at 150' the flight time will be close to an entire second, maybe longer, and the balls will be moving quite slowly.

3) The point of the game of paintball is to NOT get hit, therefore the target will either be 90% concealed (just the head sticking out) or moving very quickly.  Paintballs are also easily spotted when they are coming at you, or whizzing by.  At that range a first shot hit is impossible, even at 30' a first shot hit is tough, it usually takes a few balls to "walk the rope" into the target.  The other player will see or hear the first couple whizz by, and will with such slow projectiles at that distance will have plenty of time to react.

4) Those Flatline barrels claim to increase accuracy (not range, only speed can do that) by spinning the paintball.  Makes sense people say, after all a rifle is more accurate then a smooth bore firearm.  Except with paintballs it doesn't work that way, remember they are filled with liquid paint, so no matter how hard you try to spin then, it just doesn't do much.  For an example take a raw egg out and try to spin it on the counter, then try a hard boiled egg, you'll see what I mean.  Over the years I've used dozens of different paintball bolts and barrels, some that claim to "spin" the ball, some barrels that are even rifled.  I can tell you from experience the best paintball barrels are tapered smoothbore with a muzzle break, anything longer then 14" is pointless too.  Basically all those Flatline barrel claims are just marketing BS, and I think some buyers delude themselves into believing it so they won't have buyers remorse.  They may be more accurate then the stock barrel, but nearly any aftermarket barrel is.

To summarize, he claims to repeatedly hit a target no bigger then a human head, or moving at full sprint, with a projectile that takes a full second to get there, with accuracy at best in the 6' range, but probably less.  I could believe that it happened once, maybe a lucky once in a lifetime shot, but to suggest the he can "pick people off" from 50yds at will, nope... ... paintball markers just do not have the range, sorry.    

 I still say

BS
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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2011, 10:49:54 AM »
Branch, he's talking airsoft, not paintball. Very different projectile size and slightly different internal mechanisms.

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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2011, 11:28:44 AM »
It doesn't; I've been lit up like a christmas tree from point blank by some idiot first timer with a high powered plastic gun like yours.
No offense, but your sorta a moron. This is a high brand gun, it is a full metal body except some parts on the outer case. Full Metal Gearbox and a high powered motor!
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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2011, 01:44:52 PM »
No offense, but your sorta a moron. This is a high brand gun, it is a full metal body except some parts on the outer case. Full Metal Gearbox and a high powered motor!
No offense to you, I've been airsofting for about a year and a half if not longer (No I'm not an expert by any means), and going at least once a week even during school. Your "full metal" gearbox is most likely some cheap Zinc alloy or as airsofters like to say, pot metal, this also includes your "full metal" body. And your high end motor? It probably couldn't pull a m130-m140 spring for its life.
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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2011, 03:23:44 PM »
You guys are cute.

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« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2011, 03:26:58 PM »
You guys are cute.
I hate it when people post such BS on my stuff and i can't erase it.
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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2011, 03:30:17 PM »
You guys are cute.
I'm guessing that means you're betting $150 then right?

Sorry, but it just sounds like he's making a joke of Airsofting. It's both a serious and fun sport, until he shows a picture of his neck squirting blood all over the camera lens, everything he has said sounds like a lie.
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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2011, 03:45:57 PM »
Branch, he's talking airsoft, not paintball. Very different projectile size and slightly different internal mechanisms.

Even worse then, airsoft has no weight to it.

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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2011, 04:33:19 PM »
I just shoot them because they are fun to shoot and I don't have to drive 40 miles to be able to.  But that's me.  The local squirrel populace hates me. 

I don't doubt that a mid to high range airsoft weapon could draw blood under the right (or wrong) conditions though. 

I took mine to the office one day to show the owners son and, like an idjit, he pointed it at the window and pulled the trigger.  It dented the blinds and cracked the window. 

My response 'nice going there superstar'. 

I don't let him play with weapons around me anymore.
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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2011, 05:45:50 PM »
I'm guessing that means you're betting $150 then right?

Sorry, but it just sounds like he's making a joke of Airsofting. It's both a serious and fun sport, until he shows a picture of his neck squirting blood all over the camera lens, everything he has said sounds like a lie.

So what?

You're all bent out of shape because when you dress up to play soldier he says he bruises or bleeds if he's hit?  What of it?  You need to justify your case citing a whopping 18 months of experience with the sport then make fun of his gear?  To what end?  I played competitive paintball once upon a time in college and while we'd get a little welt or a bruise when the markers were turned up to 11 in some events as well as in some rec games with slower FPS limitations.  Some guys didn't.  I know I bruise pretty easily when carrying a heavy load or when I spend the day shooting.  If I go to a trap, skeet, sporting clay or 3 gun match my right shoulder (and less so on my left depending on strong side/weak side rifle/shotgun shooting) will be bruised.  Other guys and gals don't.  Some guys did actually bleed a little bit from paintball hits so depending on the range, weight of the BB, velocity at the muzzle and what they're wearing I can see some guys bleeding if they get hit just right.  That isn't going to make me want to insult their gear or get into an internet noodle measuring contest over it.

So the argument you guys are having...it's cute.

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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2011, 05:49:22 PM »
So Golfer who is the woman in your avatar?
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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2011, 06:15:55 PM »
Lzzy Hale.




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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2011, 06:43:04 PM »
Wasn't squirting blood, was dripping cause I bleed out a bit before it stops. Still like i said got ambushed by a camper noon from close range with a nearly 400 FPS gun. He was using .20 bb's, and it was more his fault cause its semi only in the killhouse (Building i was in) and even then its not advised. Safety kills are more, effective I should say. And about my finger being on the trigger, I'm sorry bout that but the Dragon does weigh 10 pounds and i had my other hand with the camera, needed my finger there for stability.
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Re: New Air soft Arsenal
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2011, 07:14:47 PM »
Allow me to be the first to call BS on this one.
BS

unless you had speed jacked up to like 600fps which is extremely dangerous and stupid.

50 yds is very doable with an A-5 and a flatline.  The flatline is a bit of a double edged sword.  Ya, it goes far...  The trajectory takes some getting used to though.
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