Author Topic: FW190A 1 PING ENGINE DEATHS MUST STOP HTC!!!!!!!!!!! (Read 1177 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **on:** July 14, 2001, 04:40:00 AM »

HTC sorry for yelling, but this is clearly a bug or giant error in your FW190A engine model. Any kind of hit stops ths engine, most often without smoke damage, it just gets hit and stops.

Please, please fix this error, Im sorry for yelling but I feel that I as one of your paying customers must make this issue know to you. It affects me and many others who fly the Fw190, and we dont understand why this is. Its the same for the P38 pilots, we just dont see why these two engines are singled out to be affected by this engine damage model. Please fix this, or please look into it, at least please respond to this post and show that you are aware of this issue. Please.

thanks

MrRiplEy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2001, 07:29:00 AM »

I rarely fly the 190 but I noticed the same thing yesterday when a spit hit me with a very quick snapshot in the engine. 1 ping and the engine died instantly.

Knowing the reputation of ruggedness with the 190 this certainly doesnt feel right.

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2001, 07:58:00 AM »

Almost all my losses in 190f8s and a8s are due to this. I fly both these planes exclusively for jabo. However I have experienced this in the A5 as well.

This isn't a feeling thats something wrong but fact.

It doesn't seem relative to angle of ping, range or round type.

AKcurly · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2001, 08:13:00 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
HTC sorry for yelling, but this is clearly a bug or giant error in your FW190A engine model. Any kind of hit stops ths engine, most often without smoke damage, it just gets hit and stops.

Please, please fix this error, Im sorry for yelling but I feel that I as one of your paying customers must make this issue know to you. It affects me and many others who fly the Fw190, and we dont understand why this is. Its the same for the P38 pilots, we just dont see why these two engines are singled out to be affected by this engine damage model. Please fix this, or please look into it, at least please respond to this post and show that you are aware of this issue. Please.

thanks

Grunherz, by single ping, I assume you mean one bullet? How do you know it's a single bullet? I mean the time interval between successive rounds has to be quiet short, right? I suspect your engine is being hit by a burst, not a ping. Maybe the error (if there is one) is the display of smoke or the intensity of played sounds?

AKcurly

lazs1 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2001, 08:28:00 AM »

well... I can only judge by shooting at them but they seem to be about one of the most durable planes in the game. I have to hit them and niks with three or four pretty good bursts to get good results. I guess when the rest of the plane is so tough you notice engine deaths more. from flying against em... I would say that the spit got screwed the most. It is by far the easiest plane to kill with fifties for me. the zeke is a tank compared to the Spit.

As for "real" A model 190's... Two, maybe three "problems" with their engines when facing other fighters....

first, they were fuel injected with a seperate chamber for each cyl in the high pressure fuel pump. Any hit to a cyl or plumbing that damaged any one of the rats nest of fuel lines sprayed high pressure jets of raw fuel onto the now hot engine. Be grateful fire isn't modeled.

Second, the oil cooler was round and under a cowl in the nose. The cowl was armored and somewhat protected the cooler from head on shots but from behind.... The cowl actually funneled any round hitting the engine area into the cooler causing it to leak hot oil all over the now hot engine. Be grateful fire isn't modeled.

lastly... it is a wimpy little 14 cyl engine (compared to a manly Pratt 18 cyl) and any loss of cyl is dramatic.
lazs

ra · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2001, 08:58:00 AM »

I don't fly the 190 much but I agree the engine is strangely delicate. The B-26 has the same bug.

ra

Citabria · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2001, 11:39:00 AM »

how much fun do you think it is to loose both engines instantly on a p38?

no oil leak no radiator etc... just dead.

seems like they can hit the propeller arc and kill the engine instantly

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2001, 11:42:00 AM »

Quite simple fellas it gets hit then it stops, this is a bug not a feature or "modeling" of supposed BMW801 charactersitics. Ive read all sorts of things about inital unreliability, tendency to set on fire, and the supposed vulnerabiliy of oil-cooler ring and fuel injection systems. I have also read about it flying for a considerable amount of time with the engine on FIRE, (JG26 Diary; apparently somehow the pilot didnt notice), I have read of many times the 190 coming back with whole CYLINDERS shot out, etc....

As for the lack of real fire modeling lazs all gasoline powered planes (IIRC every single one in AH) benefit from this error, as none of their engines are really ever set on fire with any frequency. Even planes oplenly leaking fuel arent set alight when the fuel leak area is sprayed with MG/cannon fire.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2001, 11:46:00 AM »

Yes Citabria I also mentioned the P38 in my post. I have noticed this in my few P38 flights. Thats why I think its a unique bug in the FW190 and P38, the engine just stops... I really look forward to HTC responding here and giving us some hope regaring this issue.

Urchin · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2001, 01:12:00 PM »

I've noticed it as well, primarily in the 190A5 and A8 (don't get in the F8 much, nor the D9).

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Grunherz, by single ping, I assume you mean one bullet? How do you know it's a single bullet? I mean the time interval between successive rounds has to be quiet short, right? I suspect your engine is being hit by a burst, not a ping. Maybe the error (if there is one) is the display of smoke or the intensity of played sounds?

Curly- you may be right here, but I suspect this is not the case. I've had my engine shot out on numerous occasions by a front quarter snapshot (like in a scissors, through the merge, where the angle between the planes is perpendicular), where I only hear one ping. I've shot out other FW190 engines where I saw only one ping (on my FE)- I know this because when I fly up next to them and see the prop not spinning, it is sorta obvious what the shot hit. Anyways, back to my engine getting shot down on front-quarter snapshots- I'd accept it if I lost the engine, maybe took an aileron hit, and maybe lost an elevator- but I don't. I lose the engine, just the engine, and no damage elsewhere. This would lead me to believe that it wasnt a STREAM of fire I flew through, merely a few shots. Granted, if someone fired a burst of say, 10 shots- and I hear 1 ping, I probably got hit by all 10 rounds. But would I take all 10 rounds in the engine? This seems highly unlikely to me. Maybe someone that is more knowledgable in ballistics could explain it to me (that would be pretty much anyone, I don't know jack about it).

Midnight · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2001, 09:59:00 AM »

I don't know what you are talking about. I have hit many 190s with my P-51D...

Smoked many oil coolers, but never got one to loose it's engine on the first ping.

But then again, if the P-51D takes a cannon hit, it's engine dies too.

Hmmm.. Conclusion? Don't get shot by cannons.. 20mm and 30mm holes are bad for engine performance.

lazs1 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2001, 10:03:00 AM »

grun.. the real 190 was a deathtrap when hit in the engine. if the pilot knew about it he bailed. Galland recaounts seeing smoke and hitting the silk himself. many Pratt engined planes came home with SEVERAL cylinders shot off. The pilot didn't even notice. Oil leaks were not just fire hazards either for LW planes. LW planes carried less oil and revved higher so were more vulnerable to damage related to oil loss. fire was much less of a problem for U.S. planes. The corsair for instance could flood the fuel tank with co2.
lazs

Jigster · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2001, 01:47:00 PM »

Hum. And nobody finds it strange how easy it is to actually HIT the engine from behind?

StSanta · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2001, 02:21:00 PM »

Citabria knows about 1 ping engine outs in the p-38.

I trust him when he says this.

Trust me when i say that 75% of my "deaths" in 190s are when my engine stops after very few pings; no smoke, no nothing.

Weirdly enough when hit from dead 6 more often than not (not counting ack; 1 ping either takes wing off or kills engine, it is virtually impossible to survive an ack hit in 190).

martell0 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2001, 06:11:00 PM »

190a in ah has a paper engine.
1 ping and your engine gone!
All the people that fly 190 know it.