The state of EW

[Tyrannis]

Could you please give me a reason to be in the EW if all you are looking for is to bomb buildings?  I can understand flying the planes but bombing the buildings?  Why even go in that arena for that?  Maybe HT should model EW buildings? 

you missed the point... you have to bomb the town in every arena, to take the field, but the hardness/settings are all set to resist massive bombloads that b17s-b24s-lancs etc carry in LW, for town buildings/FH/ord/everything is set to a hardness that helps them resist LW fighters with massive ord options or LW bombers with there massive bombloads. but in EW, you cant do with a b25 what you can with a b24, and most fighters can only carry 1-2 bombs, (i think the perked p38G is the only plane that carries rockets except for the TBM, but thats a bomber). do you see what im trying to get at? most ppl get frustrated trying to deal with LW settings using limited EW planes, and this is most likely why they dont want to stick around, too much time waisted with such little gain.

[The Fugitive]

Ya lets make it easier to earn them perk points, and reset those maps! 

[Lusche]

Could you please give me a reason to be in the EW if all you are looking for is to bomb buildings?  I can understand flying the planes but bombing the buildings?  Why even go in that arena for that?  Maybe HT should model EW buildings?  

That "blow things up and capture bases" is in Ah to promote combat. And for the most part, it works. After we got the new towns, the number of kills made (=combat & activity) in fell through the floor in EW. Now that the towns have the flag and 50% rule, it's not only that players came back - the combat came back too (even EW is still much about milkrunning - but to some degree that's just a result of low numbers)

[Tyrannis]

Ya lets make it easier to earn them perk points, and reset those maps! 

...-sigh- if you make EW planes more capable of performing on there level, casual players wouldnt get so frustrated by lack of results like they are now and therefore go running off to stay in the LW to get better results, they might wish to stick around in EW then, then when people see a decent number of folks in the EW, more will come to check it out,and find out its no longer a bunch of work for such poor results. it may not get up to the status that LW is, but it could possably make it to how MW is right now, which would be fine.

[Blooz]

That would absolutely suck. One main reason to fly an early war plane in LW is not to get a fix on any specific plane, but the challenge to fly a Hurri I or A6M2 in a combat environment with much more capable planes. And it would hardly increase EW population at all, because there are more problems with that arena than just a redundant plane set.

It wouldn't suck and you know it! It'd spread the population out between the different arenas the way they should be instead of everybody being bunched up in the LW arenas! What's the purpose of having an Early and Mid war arena if nobody goes there? Yup....score whoring and perk farming. Just the things this thread was posted about. The only reason to fly a Hurri I or a A6M2 in LW is to perk farm too! Push those planes and pilots into their own arenas where they belong!

[Lusche]

It wouldn't suck and you know it! It'd spread the population out between the different arenas the way they should be instead of everybody being bunched up in the LW arenas!

It will absolutely not.

. The only reason to fly a Hurri I or a A6M2 in LW is to perk farm too!

Nonsense. Mid- ENY planes are much more effective perk farmers. I fly Hurri I Spit V or I-16 for fun. And the most fun is to kill a F4U or SPit 16 in them. And don't forget the show-off factor when landing 8 kills in a Hurri I in LW

[LLogann]

That's a tad shortsighted, no?  The argument has far less to do with perks than it does fairness.... Early war "objects" were def not as reinforced as they were in late war.  As with the technology evolving in ordinance, so with reinforcement.

Ya lets make it easier to earn them perk points, and reset those maps! 

[dedalos]

you missed the point... you have to bomb the town in every arena, to take the field, but the hardness/settings are all set to resist massive bombloads that b17s-b24s-lancs etc carry in LW, for town buildings/FH/ord/everything is set to a hardness that helps them resist LW fighters with massive ord options or LW bombers with there massive bombloads. but in EW, you cant do with a b25 what you can with a b24, and most fighters can only carry 1-2 bombs, (i think the perked p38G is the only plane that carries rockets except for the TBM, but thats a bomber). do you see what im trying to get at? most ppl get frustrated trying to deal with LW settings using limited EW planes, and this is most likely why they dont want to stick around, too much time waisted with such little gain.

Yeah, I got that.  What I am saying is why go to the EW to shoot at buildings?  You can do that in the MA.  EW is for the planes, that is what is different.  If you look at the image of the OP you will see what I am talking about.  Why are they there fighting buildings?  Why pay for that and not do it off line?

[The Fugitive]

That's a tad shortsighted, no?  The argument has far less to do with perks than it does fairness.... Early war "objects" were def not as reinforced as they were in late war.  As with the technology evolving in ordinance, so with reinforcement.

Seeing as the game parallels a WWII scenario you saying that early in the war they had weaker buildings (cause they are bombing towns here, no need to hit FH or VHs as nobody is upping against them) and such and as the war progressed they reinforced all those builds and that is why the strength of the ordnance was increased, I seeeee    A 250lb bomb is a 250lb bomb

I know, I know, this is a game, not the war   However the premise of the early war arena is the equipment is weaker than the late war arena. The planes carried less ordinance, and small values. The EW arena is a milk run arena already, by making it easier to to take out buildings and such your not going to increase the population in the arena, all your going to do is have the milk runners resetting the maps faster.

[LLogann]

I should point out that I do not think 250lb objects should be changed, just hangers.  A 250gp bomb IRL, may or may not have taken down a whole building in a town, so no need to make the buildings any weaker. 

How that (softer hangers) plays into the EW gameplay I am unsure, I do not visit all that often but it certainly seems "fair."

[TinmanX]

A screenshot of a screenshot!

[kvuo75]

It's a shame they don't make arena-specific perks.  Make people use them where they earn them; that would stop a lot of this BS. 

It would probably stop ALL of it. unless they really think they are really fighting a war in there..  too hard to take a base in LW with maybe some defense? No prob, we can do it in EW with zero defenders! WTG WTG WTG!  "lets keep this rolling" - "I'll bring the goon!" WTG WTG  WTG! 

[flatiron1]

A moment or picture in time does not always tell the entire story. Klam I remember a nice battle for a port the day you were there and you were not alone at the time.

Hope you make it back some time or try Mid War.

Someone has to plant the seed so I encourage all you late war types to give EW a try. I promise if you show up and I am there you will at least have a target.

Oh and check my stats and you will see I have no need for late war perks. EW/MW only here.

[BiPoLaR]

EW should get the axe. Just my opinion.

[flatiron1]

EW should get the axe. Just my opinion.

But why Bi-Polar


How about coming up with some ideas to make it better or more populated.

How about this. FSO and scenarios are popular. EW is a good places to come practice those plane sets in context.