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Offline Stoney

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2011, 09:41:24 AM »
So basically you're saying the construction was badly handled by adding a very high heat retaining metal as a part of critical areas?   :headscratch:  A design that succumb to engine overheats way too easily?

That right?


I think he's saying that the B-29's engine problems were not due to having magnesium in the accessory case, but a lack of cooling air due to the design of the cowling.
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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2011, 10:50:34 AM »
"I'd be suprised if the B-29, when introduced to the game, will be a "roman candle" type target."

Well, I recall reading an anecdote of a P-61 Black Widow pilot who was sent to shoot down a B29 which was still flying after her crew had bailed. I recall that emptying all the arsenal he had with him had practically no immediate effect on B29. And that is 4 x Hisso -and no defensive fire to distract aiming.

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This is the incident you have mentioned.  :headscratch: May be the benchmark that the damage model should be based off?








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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2011, 01:53:52 PM »
I think he's saying that the B-29's engine problems were not due to having magnesium in the accessory case, but a lack of cooling air due to the design of the cowling.

Yep.

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2011, 02:15:36 PM »
All very true, but at the same instance, one might say.... If "cooler" metals were used, this lack of air would have had a far less impact. 

Yep.

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Some arguments can go back and forth forever, I do think this is one of them.  There is probably 12 different reasons and once they all added to one another, the synergy created is unstoppable. 

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2011, 02:32:12 PM »
It was an initial bad design by engineering.  Killed quite a few people including one of Boeings most revered test pilots to this day, Eddie Allen.  May he, his crew, and those on the ground rest in peace.

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2011, 12:07:53 PM »
"May be the benchmark that the damage model should be based off?"

Would I be surprised if it did...  :rofl

Nice find Lyric1.  :aok

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2011, 03:44:29 PM »
"May be the benchmark that the damage model should be based off?"

Would I be surprised if it did...  :rofl

Nice find Lyric1.  :aok

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2011, 10:05:48 AM »
 it's going to be interesting how they/we model the 18+ hour flights over the Pacific...also...don't forget the Japanese defended against these birds by flying into them as well...any idea when the 29 is going to be available???

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2011, 11:28:15 AM »
The same way they model it now.   :neener:

it's going to be interesting how they/we model the 18+ hour flights over the Pacific...also...don't forget the Japanese defended against these birds by flying into them as well...any idea when the 29 is going to be available???

And normally it's 2 weeks, but I'm abroad, and updates ALWAYS happen when I'm away on work.  So it could be this week.............    :eek:
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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2011, 08:10:25 PM »
i heard the b29 is coming sometime in march/april...

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2011, 09:09:44 PM »
All very true, but at the same instance, one might say.... If "cooler" metals were used, this lack of air would have had a far less impact. 

Some arguments can go back and forth forever, I do think this is one of them.  There is probably 12 different reasons and once they all added to one another, the synergy created is unstoppable. 

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2011, 03:25:34 PM »
i heard the b29 is coming sometime in march/april...


I thought it was 2 weeks?
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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2011, 07:39:50 PM »

I thought it was 2 weeks?
its been 2 weeks for the past 2 months...

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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2011, 07:46:50 PM »
You also have to remember that it was also due to the high humidity of the pacific theatre of opperations. case in point in nascar, and many other racing events. becuase the cars are running at high speeds for prolonged times. the engines will burst into flames. it wasnt due to poor design the B-29 was a perfect design, its just the engines werent properly and completly tested before the bomber entered service. mostly due to the fact that the US wanted an end to the war quickly. the problems were ironed out after the war, and the B-29s in korea had very few problems with the engines. and when the russians copied it and made the TU-4 they were never able to fix the engine problems.
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Re: B-29 question
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2011, 10:38:41 PM »
You also have to remember that it was also due to the high humidity of the pacific theatre of opperations. case in point in nascar, and many other racing events. becuase the cars are running at high speeds for prolonged times. the engines will burst into flames. it wasnt due to poor design the B-29 was a perfect design, its just the engines werent properly and completly tested before the bomber entered service. mostly due to the fact that the US wanted an end to the war quickly. the problems were ironed out after the war, and the B-29s in korea had very few problems with the engines. and when the russians copied it and made the TU-4 they were never able to fix the engine problems.

Sorry thats not right. The engines on the B29 were updated continuously. This design was started before the B17 was even considered. The B29 was still being improved upon during initial deliveries and were field modified with updated items regularly. You suggest the aircraft was not compeltely tested (and said so directly) but there probably wasnt a more thoroughly tested design during the war in any Air Force.
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