CV Puffy Ack

[mensa180]

If as many people flew bombers as low around CVs as people did fighters, I think the bombers would die more.

[zack1234]

and thats relevant to puffy ack ... how?

Its not so there

[Vinkman]

puffy ack is a funkiller, and the modelling is bs.

This is mostly my feeling.

I know they need something to fend off bombers, but the puffy is too accurate against fighters at ranges that are too long. Most CV furballs quickly de-volve into cv planes hiding in, or trying to drag enemies into the puffy for it to do thier work for them.  It becomes the dominant factor in the fight. And this with as little as one or two guns manned. I've been puffied to death be cv group that was almost out of visible range.

I just avoid CV fights altogether because of it. 

[Shuffler]

Puffy ack kills me often. I have no issue with it except when it is over a base because the cv can get so close.

I don't care for it's far reaching effects. I can't tell you how many times I am out of site of the cv and been killed when I was not even approaching the thing.

[Vinkman]

TJust a thought on Puffy improvement....


Maybe puffy could be recoded to be acurate in a more vertical cone over the CV for anti Bomber use, but leas acurate when used horizontally. By acurate I mean the proximity range for the explosion, and the variation of the trajectory when fired. 

Side effect would be gunners would be confused by the changing accuracy. But maybe that's a better trade off. 

[Tyrannis]

This is mostly my feeling.

I know they need something to fend off bombers, but the puffy is too accurate against fighters at ranges that are too long. Most CV furballs quickly de-volve into cv planes hiding in, or trying to drag enemies into the puffy for it to do thier work for them.  It becomes the dominant factor in the fight. And this with as little as one or two guns manned. I've been puffied to death be cv group that was almost out of visible range.

I just avoid CV fights altogether because of it. 

also, puffy ack should damage friendly planes aswell.if a dora is stupid enough to go plowing through his own friendly flak in pursuit of a b17 he should take some damage too.

[zack1234]

dont mind Zack i dont think anybody understands him yet   

Have you left The Few yet?

[doc1kelley]

Thank you for listening Hitech.

I think you are missing the point in Hitech's response.  He stated that it already does and NOT that it needs to be re-modeled.

All the Best...

    Jay

[Scca]

also, puffy ack should damage friendly planes aswell.if a dora is stupid enough to go plowing through his own friendly flak in pursuit of a b17 he should take some damage too.

It does.  Take it from someone who has died to "friendly" CV ack more than once.

[Vinkman]

It all ready does.

Always so cryptic? 

Is there an auto puffy ack, and a manual puffy ack?  (Perhaps we're all complaining about manned 5" guns hitting us at great ans short distances.) If there is an auto setting, perhaps it's properly modelled.
But then why are manned guns left to be so acurate?
Do you feel manned guns are more effective then auto guns?
Do you think the acuracy of manned guns creates realistic effectiveness, or hyper-effectiveness?

Can you clarify?

Thanks, 


Vinkman

[LLogann]

It doesn't seem too cryptic.

It all ready does.

Degradation of accuracy at range definitely needs to be modeled.

Wiley.

[kvuo75]

Always so cryptic? 

Is there an auto puffy ack, and a manual puffy ack?  (Perhaps we're all complaining about manned 5" guns hitting us at great ans short distances.) Vinkman

we're talkin about the auto.. the type you magically start hearing popping around you soon as you go above 3000 ft near a cv or over strats.  the type that rarely damages a box of straight and level buffs intent on killing the cv, but shreds maneuvering fighters just trying to survive.

[MarineUS]

maybe they should fly straight like the buffs? Maybe that's the trick O_O

[Wiley]

Hmm...  Maybe that is the secret.

One story that always stuck in my head talking to a guy that flew over Vietnam was, they jinked every 2 or 3 seconds when they were over AA. If you flew straight any longer, the guy had enough time to sight on you, and for the round to get there.

Thinking about that for a second, it occurred to me that if that was the case, any round that actually hit you was technically a 'miss', because if he was aiming along your vector before you jinked, and it hit you after you jinked it was because it didn't hit where he was aiming.

Maybe it's because the puffy ack is programmed to theoretically miss the fighter, because he's maneuvering he flies into it...

Wiley.

[Crash Orange]

As for having puffy ack over land because they got the CV close...  At the risk of being unpopular, er... more unpopular, isn't letting their CV park 20 yards off your coast a rather colossal failure on your side's part for defense? 

It would be, if you had any way of knowing it was approaching unless someone ups a plane from it.

Always seemed kinda silly to me that a lone PT boat 12.4 miles out will flash the base but a whole CV group 200 yards offshore (sometimes parts of it even sailing right across the land) won't.