US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox

[KgB]

Now that really personaly ticks me off, someone looking for praise or honor for one of those evils over the other.  If you're looking for more respect or honor here in this thread for the Red Army than for Nazi Germany - find none will you from my Polish blood.  Take a guess what off-the-handle forum-guidline-violating responce I have in mind for your question that would also cast the Red Army in no better a light?  Shal we take a stroll down that memory lane and look at how awesome the Red Army's humanitarian contributions have been to the world before, during and after its pact with the evil Nazi Germany?

They were both armies of normal everyday men, from normal families and fighting for what they were all told was their country and home, being led and ordered around by two of the most evil and vile characters of history.

Phenomenally moronic. Considering I've never praised anyone. Its pure hate on my part.  BTW Try not to go back in Russo-Polish history too much though, obviously you haven't looked past 1939. Other than that great speech.

[SmokinLoon]

Children children children... tsk tsk tsk.  Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is more than one way to butcher a cow.  There are thousands of "what if" scenarios. 

The only fact that is indisputable is that Kilroy was truly there, all else is opinions and statistics.   

[Stoney]

This thread will not end well...

[Penguin]

This fact is becoming apparent to me as well.

-Penguin

[zack1234]

I always thought Russia had a massive industrial base prior to war, Stalin 3 year plans.
Poland after the 1st war were rattling sabre's on both the German and  Russian borders (General pilsudski)
German did not have a total war economy until 1944 they did not need to, very organised them Germans, after the occupation of numerous countries they supplemented their economy. (skoda factories made tanks)
The RAF were out numbered by the Germans they won because the Germans were not good enough.

Bombing German oil supplies was very important so bombing worked.

I am the best looking in the game.

[Mirage]

it is a myth that the RAF were truly outnumbered buy the Luftwaffe, they had a supperior infastructure for repairing aircraft and were training alot more new pilots, if you look at the numbers, during the last stages of the BoB the RAF were able to field alot more planes then the germans, so thats why they won, the RAF wernt equiped with "super pilots"

[Muzzy]

Now that really personaly ticks me off, someone looking for praise or honor for one of those evils over the other.  If you're looking for more respect or honor here in this thread for the Red Army than for Nazi Germany - find none will you from my Polish blood.  Take a guess what off-the-handle forum-guidline-violating responce I have in mind for your question that would also cast the Red Army in no better a light?  Shal we take a stroll down that memory lane and look at how awesome the Red Army's humanitarian contributions have been to the world before, during and after its pact with the evil Nazi Germany?

They were both armies of normal everyday men, from normal families and fighting for what they were all told was their country and home, being led and ordered around by two of the most evil and vile characters of history.

Well said. I only posted this because there is a tendency by some to imply that the United States pretty much won the Second World War single-handedly, which I think is a disservice to the soldiers from other allied nations.  True, the Soviet government and its Army did horrible things during the war, but they took on and destroyed the bulk of the German Army, which they were able to accomplish with the logistical help from the United States and Great Britain.

[zack1234]

it is a myth that the RAF were truly outnumbered buy the Luftwaffe, they had a supperior infastructure for repairing aircraft and were training alot more new pilots, if you look at the numbers, during the last stages of the BoB the RAF were able to field alot more planes then the germans, so thats why they won, the RAF wernt equiped with "super pilots"

Germans are very fond of Myth's strange that

They were able to field more planes that nonsense and you know it, they were able to use their existing forces more effectivly.

Admit it just once..., just once The German airforce was not good enough

Super pilots? whats that about? Pilots defending their country and families from a bloke who's father was his Uncle!

The German airforce met for the first time a fully modern airforce and got a bloody nose for it!

[-tronski-]

iif you look at the numbers, during the last stages of the BoB the RAF were able to field alot more planes then the germans, so thats why they won, the RAF wernt equiped with "super pilots"

It wouldn't be because in the end the RAF had shot down the advantage?

Truly outnumbered? In July 1940 the RAF 640 fighters & the Luftwaffe had 2600 bombers and fighters

 Tronsky

[Muzzy]

Being Canadian I truly appreciate the mother country's stand against the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain, but be honest. If they hadn't shifted bombing away from the airfields the RAF would have been finished.

[zack1234]

It wouldn't be because in the end the RAF had shot down the advantage?

Truly outnumbered? In July 1940 the RAF 640 fighters & the Luftwaffe had 2600 bombers and fighters

 Tronsky

The guy is going to come back with another myth that the German bombers did not have any effective defensive armaments and were not bombing civilians in the East End of London with real bombs but pineapples and spinich.

So was Adolfs uncle his dad then? thats a question and a half?

[Mirage]

hmm, funny thing, a Magazine called aeroplane monthly (you may have heard of it, I belive its published in england) released some interesting data about German and english fighter strength, Pilot strength and also serviceability rates of the RAF and Luftwaffe and from July to december 1940, it appears that the only time the Luftwaffe surpassed the RAF in fighter strength was in july, as for servicability (same time period) the luftwaffe could barley hold 80% servicability, while the RAF was consistantly up or above 90%, the RAF almost had twice the amount of pilots during that time frame, and flew alot more weekly fighter Sorties then the luftwaffe, I am not downplaying the skill of the RAF or the luftwaffe, but maybe your few, werent that "few" at all

and btw, the issue is July 2010, its an interesting read, you should really look into it

and btw btw, tronski, the RAF in August could muster around 1089 fighters, while the luftwaffe could muster 934 single engined fighters, the only thing that outnumbered the RAF throughout the BoB was the german bomber force

[-tronski-]

I've read Aeroplane Monthly, but what your quoting is not a true indication of the Battle of Britain by only comparing fighter forces. You cant just ignore the bombers old boy

 Tronsky

[Mirage]

bombers are not directly attacking fighters in the air and thats why I did not include them, yes, germany had many more bombers then fighters, but how many bombers were shot down for every RAF fighter loss?

[zack1234]

bombers are not directly attacking fighters in the air and thats why I did not include them, yes, germany had many more bombers then fighters, but how many bombers were shot down for every RAF fighter loss?

The RAF's main target WAS the Bombers not the fighters, they had to fight both.

Admit it the RAF were better, just once.

There is one fact which cannot be disprove Whittle invented the jet engine in the 1930's, and the Germans copied his ideas Come back with another big fat Myth to suit your views.

Straying from the point Woody Allen or Benny Hill?